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Old 22-10-2013, 04:48   #16
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What are Sig and Gunboat alternatives anyway?

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Old 22-10-2013, 05:46   #17
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Re: I've sailed a Gunboat..

Enjoyed your post re: G.B.'s Any thoughts on the Leopard 62?
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Re: I've sailed a Gunboat..

The Outremer and Atlantics are not really in SIG and Gunboat class. They are further down on the performance/comfort spectrum. In fact, between the SIG45 and Gunboat 62, my money would be on the SIG.

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Enjoyed your post re: G.B.'s Any thoughts on the Leopard 62?
Apples != Oranges

Daggerboards != Mini-keels

Different boats on many, many levels.
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Old 22-10-2013, 10:35   #20
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My bet is GB, Outremer, Catana for speed reverse order for comfort.

You may like these if you are into the performance cruising territory:
High Performance Multihull Sailing Yachts | Luxury Catamarans

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That was my thinking too. But if you compare a Catana 581 and an Outremer 5x on multihulldynamics.com ... the Catana has a higher Bn and SA/Disp ratio. That implies it would be at least as fast if not a tick faster.
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Apples != Oranges

Daggerboards != Mini-keels

Different boats on many, many levels.
Oops. Now I feel silly. The L62 does have dbs.

NB: why won't the forum let you delete your own posts? ;-(
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NB: why won't the forum let you delete your own posts? ;-(
Then how would you learn or be used as an example to others?

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Old 22-10-2013, 12:12   #23
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Re: I've sailed a Gunboat..

DJ: You only have about 30 minutes to delete or edit your posts then it is there forever.
That Leopard 62 may be the only one they made with daggerboards. I wonder how many 62s they made? It is not in the same performance class as the others. Still nice though.
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You could have an Oram 62C custom built, and buy a block of apartments with the change...
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That was my thinking too. But if you compare a Catana 581 and an Outremer 5x on multihulldynamics.com ... the Catana has a higher Bn and SA/Disp ratio. That implies it would be at least as fast if not a tick faster.

Thats the trouble with metrics based comparisons. They may not reflect the real world. For two reasons, Firstly the underlying data may be in error, I know for example that Catana were quoting , how can I put this, "Creative" weights for their boats for some time. It also does not allow for many other performance affecting issues.

I have a slab* that says the 5x is significantly faster

(*SLAB - Australian measurement - unit of betting - equals one carton of beer)
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I have a slab* that says the 5x is significantly faster

(*SLAB - Australian measurement - unit of betting - equals one carton of beer)
SLAB as an acronym stands for ????
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SLAB as an acronym stands for ????
It's not an acronym, it's a cultural icon!!!
Do not confuse a 'slab' with a 'carton'.
A carton is twelve longnecks as opposed to 24 tinnies or stubbies. [ie Southern stubbies not Darwin stubbies].
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Re: I've sailed a Gunboat..

You ozzies sure talk funny.
A carton is 10 packs of smokes.
24 beers is a case.
A 12 pack is a 12 pack.
A slab is something with dead bodies as in "come up to the lab and see what's on the slab".

We do agree on what a long neck is.
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Re: I've sailed a Gunboat..

Gee, I thought you were going to talk about a gunship!?

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That was my thinking too. But if you compare a Catana 581 and an Outremer 5x on multihulldynamics.com ... the Catana has a higher Bn and SA/Disp ratio. That implies it would be at least as fast if not a tick faster.
I have sailed a 10 years old Catana 58. She had original sails not in good shape and yet we managed to do 10+ kts in 20 kts true, AWA 30-35 degrees without proper trim and not even dealing with dagger boards..
I am told that the old Catana's are significantly faster than the new ones and the naval architect they had these old days is now working for Outremer..
I cannot compare her though to Outrener 5 x , as I haven't been yet on this one.

Anybody has any idea about the cost of SIG 60 ? That could be the only boat to be compared against new GB 60..

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