Is World Crusing Safe on a Cat? - Page 7

Scott730 · 14-07-2009, 13:47

That is right, these are racing cats and have no bearing what so ever on how a cruising cat handles and performs, it is like comparing a laser to an Irwin. Something no one in his right mind would do.

44'cruisingcat · 14-07-2009, 14:18

Racing boats, but wow.

YouTube - America's Cup - Boats breaks and sinks

BTW, who would be in more urgent need of an "armada of rescue boats"?

44'cruisingcat · 14-07-2009, 14:32

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Originally Posted by Joli

I consider the comments by CC44 personal opinion (ie made up comment) regarding speed.
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Fair enough. In future I'll just assume everything you have to say is untrue too.

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Originally Posted by Joli

I look at passage logs, rally results and if the Caribbean 600 is a fair indication then a Gunboat 48 is slower then a 46 foot mono. I look at results from the Heiniken Reggatta and see a First 29 is quicker around a triangle then a Lagoon 44. Those results indicate to me that the hype of superior speed is very over sold for almost any production multi. I wonder what the speeds will be when loaded for cruising. I look around when cruising the Caribbean and never see a cat sailing upwind, only motoring. What does that say?

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The boat I sailed on was not a production boat, and I never said it was. It was in fact, built by it's owner in his backyard.

It was a bigger and slightly faster boat than this:

YouTube - Oram Mango 38, 16 knots in 20 - 22

Any reason that couldn't manage an 8 knot average in favourable conditions?

What you see when you look around is very likely exactly what you want to see, given that when presented with FACTS that don't suit you, you simply choose not to believe them.

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Originally Posted by Joli

But, the original question is about safety. I would think for the trip the OP has in mind any decent production cat will do but the beat from the Panama Canal to the islands will not be much fun.

The original question was about safety, not fun.

Mustang Sally · 14-07-2009, 17:48

Well most cats first voyage is either South Africa to North America or France to North America. A nice first sail I'd say. I hear of many mono sailors switching to cats, i have heard of no cat sailors going back to a mono.

tongaboys · 14-07-2009, 20:10

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Originally Posted by svquest2

These are racing cats, but wow.
Have fun

Joe S

O'boy isn't Multihull trolling/bashing so much fun for you Joe...

Factor · 14-07-2009, 21:03

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Originally Posted by catty

Mmmmmm, Very vigilant factor, it should have read.... Lightwave 35 with transom extensions. Big difference?.

I still dont understand what the MMMMMMMM means/

As for the 35 with transom extensions, I clearly indicated that the 38 is NOT a 35 with transom extesnions, I further indicated that In my view that was probably of no relevance and I further indicated that you were wrong in your assesment - giben no response to the latter I assume you agree.

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Soooo you don't attach your drogue with rope? It must get expensive throwing all those unattached drogues off the stern

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That is not what I said - you are being silly and insulting.

Joli · 15-07-2009, 07:05

Oh? A club member just switched from an F31 to a Hylas 46. Anyone interested in a freshwater F31? Contact me.

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Originally Posted by Mustang Sally

Well most cats first voyage is either South Africa to North America or France to North America. A nice first sail I'd say. I hear of many mono sailors switching to cats, i have heard of no cat sailors going back to a mono.

Factor · 15-07-2009, 07:07

I think he said cat sailors Joli = perhaps I am being pedantic

Anyway - despite all the sillyness, the answer to the questions is yes. Unequivocally Yes. A multihull is entirely suitable for world cruising.

**FrankZ** · 15-07-2009, 07:11

There is a fellow in my marina that bought a cat because his wife wanted one. When she wouldn't sail with him anymore he sold it and is back on a monohull.

sneuman · 15-07-2009, 07:15

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Originally Posted by FrankZ

There is a fellow in my marina that bought a cat because his wife wanted one. When she wouldn't sail with him anymore he sold it and is back on a monohull.

Did he buy two monohulls? :-)

Joli · 15-07-2009, 07:16

Cruising Cat 44. Show us the passage logs where cruising cats are sailing over 200 miles day in and day out. Thats all.

I can show you 14's all day long on our mono or show you high teens in a big breeze but I can't show you 200 mile a day, day in and day out, when cruising our boat. We don't cruise the way we race and I would be surpised if many couples do. Who cares to deal with 3500 sq ft kites at 3 in the morning when it's just me and the missus, we are happy to make a decent speed and be comfortable.

Let us read your logs passage notes when you launch. Hopefull it's soon and you enjoy your boat for many years.

Back to the OP question. Yes you will be safe and I hope you have fun.

Joli · 15-07-2009, 07:20

True enough but there is also a PDQ for sail at the club. Rumor is the seller want to go back to a mono. Lotta light air here with a short chop, not the boat he thought it would be for our sailing conditons.

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Originally Posted by Factor

I think he said cat sailors Joli = perhaps I am being pedantic

Anyway - despite all the sillyness, the answer to the questions is yes. Unequivocally Yes. A multihull is entirely suitable for world cruising.

Factor · 15-07-2009, 07:22

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Originally Posted by FrankZ

There is a fellow in my marina that bought a cat because his wife wanted one. When she wouldn't sail with him anymore he sold it and is back on a monohull.

And every single cat sailor I know started on a mono. And that proves what I am not sure but it proves as much as your single anecdote. I would have thought if you didnt have a comment to make about the appropriateness or otherwise of a multi for world cruising that this isnt the thread for you.

cogent reasoned argument is the way forward. either for or against is fine, but anecdotal comment on matters not the subject of the thread do not appear to me to be helpful.

Anyway - here is a link to one couples experience world cruising on a cat.

FALLADO

**FrankZ** · 15-07-2009, 07:26

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Originally Posted by Mustang Sally

...i have heard of no cat sailors going back to a mono.

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Originally Posted by Factor

I think he said cat sailors Joli = perhaps I am being pedantic

Just pointing out that it does happen. Of course we do allow anyone to post on any forum here at CF. We do ask that you be nice about it though.

sneuman · 15-07-2009, 07:32

As for speed, it is interesting to note that a certain famous catamaran couple claimed to be averaging about 4 knots half-way through their circumnavigation (from a log entry in New Zealand):

Overall I would guess that our average wind speed for the entire trip so far would be somewhere around 8-10 knots. And as a little side note, our average speed on passages of over 2 days was only 4 knots.

bumfuzzle jan 2005

14-07-2009, 17:48	#94
Mustang Sally Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Caribbean Boat: Voyage 44 Posts: 86 Images: 11	Well most cats first voyage is either South Africa to North America or France to North America. A nice first sail I'd say. I hear of many mono sailors switching to cats, i have heard of no cat sailors going back to a mono. __________________ Capt Dirty Doug Mate Wicked Wendy Catamaran Mustang Sally

15-07-2009, 07:11	#99
FrankZ Moderator Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chesapeake Bay Boat: Bristol 35 Bellesa Posts: 4,624 Images: 1	There is a fellow in my marina that bought a cat because his wife wanted one. When she wouldn't sail with him anymore he sold it and is back on a monohull. __________________ Sing to a sailor's courage, Sing while the elbows bend, A ruby port your harbor, Raise three sheets to the wind. -=Krynnish drinking song=-

15-07-2009, 07:32	#105
sneuman Senior Cruiser Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Magothy Marina, Severna Park, MD Boat: Tayana 37 Cutter - "Symbiosis" Posts: 1,375 Images: 37	As for speed, it is interesting to note that a certain famous catamaran couple claimed to be averaging about 4 knots half-way through their circumnavigation (from a log entry in New Zealand): Overall I would guess that our average wind speed for the entire trip so far would be somewhere around 8-10 knots. And as a little side note, our average speed on passages of over 2 days was only 4 knots. bumfuzzle jan 2005 __________________ Sailing Maryland Blog: http://sailingmaryland.blogspot.com/

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14-07-2009, 13:47	#91
Scott730 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mt Dora Florida Boat: Mahe, 36' "Oceanview" Posts: 233	That is right, these are racing cats and have no bearing what so ever on how a cruising cat handles and performs, it is like comparing a laser to an Irwin. Something no one in his right mind would do.

15-07-2009, 07:07	#98
Factor Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Boat: Seawind 1000xl "Dilligara" Posts: 627	I think he said cat sailors Joli = perhaps I am being pedantic Anyway - despite all the sillyness, the answer to the questions is yes. Unequivocally Yes. A multihull is entirely suitable for world cruising.

15-07-2009, 07:16	#101
Joli Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,844	Cruising Cat 44. Show us the passage logs where cruising cats are sailing over 200 miles day in and day out. Thats all. I can show you 14's all day long on our mono or show you high teens in a big breeze but I can't show you 200 mile a day, day in and day out, when cruising our boat. We don't cruise the way we race and I would be surpised if many couples do. Who cares to deal with 3500 sq ft kites at 3 in the morning when it's just me and the missus, we are happy to make a decent speed and be comfortable. Let us read your logs passage notes when you launch. Hopefull it's soon and you enjoy your boat for many years. Back to the OP question. Yes you will be safe and I hope you have fun.