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Old 19-10-2016, 23:08   #166
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Re: Introducing the St. Francis 50 mk II: Wayfinder

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SV "Wayfinder" prominent on Hugh's twitter page and web site
latest Youtube post?
Great video showing why you should not be using a sock when sailing solo,

in the same time period its taken Hugh to setup and raise we could have setup and pulled down our top down furler 10 times !
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Great video showing why you should not be using a sock when sailing solo,

in the same time period its taken Hugh to setup and raise we could have setup and pulled down our top down furler 10 times !
Ten times!!

I think I could manage five.
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That's interesting Steve. Did St. Francis have a boat at the show? I've always liked them the best for a new boat manufacturer, considering the cost and quality.

IMO, if you make a contract to pay in another currency, how can you complain about the fluctuation.
Yes they did, it was nice to see the new changes in person. I still am not a fan of the engine under the aft beds, and even on a cool day in Annapolis the huge front windows created a greenhouse in the cabin. For this reason the shades were pulled shut, and they said they closed them to keep it cooler. I like being able to see out from the main cabin. On most of the other Cats the Front windows were shaded and not covered, very noticeable difference.

It is a big roomy Cat but its also 50 ft. and $1M so it should be. Lot of great features but for that much I think its time for a redesign to make it more up to date. Just my opinion.

As for the contract, that was exactly what Duncan said. He indicated that the buyer can choose to lock in the price in either currency and it is what it is. I completely agree, but I also know that this is just his side of the story.
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Old 20-10-2016, 15:15   #169
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Yes they did, it was nice to see the new changes in person. I still am not a fan of the engine under the aft beds, and even on a cool day in Annapolis the huge front windows created a greenhouse in the cabin. For this reason the shades were pulled shut, and they said they closed them to keep it cooler. I like being able to see out from the main cabin. On most of the other Cats the Front windows were shaded and not covered, very noticeable difference.

It is a big roomy Cat but its also 50 ft. and $1M so it should be. Lot of great features but for that much I think its time for a redesign to make it more up to date. Just my opinion.

As for the contract, that was exactly what Duncan said. He indicated that the buyer can choose to lock in the price in either currency and it is what it is. I completely agree, but I also know that this is just his side of the story.
Possibly time for a new deck mold. Many current /new designs by designers other than the production designers have vertical opening window with overhangs.

Including Grainger, Schonning and Stanton.

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Old 20-10-2016, 18:25   #170
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Re: Introducing the St. Francis 50 mk II: Wayfinder

The 3 links provided by Down under, showed cats with that rakish sweeping arm that extends forward from the front corners of the salon cabin. They remind me of the rear seat pillers of my Chevy Volt. They obscure such a large range of view that I consider it dangerous. You just can't see back there to change lanes nearly as easy as my old 2003 VW Jetta. Similarly those sweeping cabin pilars on the 3 cats above as well as Leopards and many other modern cats would seem to obscure a signifcant part of the view from inside the salon. Anything that obscures the view while sitting in the salon is a non starter for me. I think the Lagoon 380 excels in this regard.

Do these forward catamaran pillars have a structural function or are they just a fashion fad de jour? (Like the uncomfortable curved settees in french cats of the 2000's, which the L380 unfortunately is guilty of).
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Not necessarily so certainly in the case of the Freeflow46 shown here.

Visability and airflow are as good as you can get. Check the site lines through the saloon.
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"Anything that obscures the view while sitting in the salon is a non starter for me. I think the Lagoon 380 excels in this regard.

Do these forward catamaran pillars have a structural function or are they just a fashion fad de jour?


Can't speak for the other designers but I know for the FreeFlow design the view is not obstructed much, and certainly not DANGEROUSLY. And certainly not moreso than the forward mast position when it intrudes into the saloon. Notice that the helm position is completely protected and the view from the helm is 360 degrees unobstructed.

And yes, the "pillars" serve several functions in the FreeFlow design, a few of which are the excellent ram air flow even when the boat is closed up; the design of the rain catcher system; and most importantly, they add significantly to the stiffness of the boat, as they are structural, not just cosmetic.

However regarding aethetics, they do give a nice profile to the boat, at least I think so

And they are hardly "fad du jour" as they have been used by Stanton for many years, and by Jeff Schionning, as well.
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Thanks Beakie for the structural info on the FF. I've never thought of the forward reaching cabin "post" being dangerous. When helming all boats have blind spots you need to peak around. I just don't care for it, to me they look superfluous, like fins on a 50s Cadillac.

Agree that asthetics are important. To each is own. Somewhere I read that you have the right boat if you can't stop looking when you're rowing away from it.
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No problem, to each their own ideas & opinions. 😀 vive la difference!

Just get a bit familiar with the structural implications of design elements in whatever cat you are considering. For example, if the large "lid" (the saloon roof) on the cat has no contribution to the transverse stiffness of the boat (for the wracking/twisting forces), then how is that handled?


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I had a chat with Duncan at the Annapolis show and asked him about Wayfinder. He had mentioned Hugh several times and gave him credit for many of the changes to the newest version of the SF 50. He indicated that the exchange rate from US dollar to Rand had fluctuated quite a bit between signing of the contract and final delivery. This fluctuation apparently benefited Duncan quite a bit and did not sit well with Hugh. He didn't want to elaborate any further, but really didn't say anything negative about Hugh and said many nice things about his ideas. There did not appear to be any disputes about the quality of the vessel, at least that I could ascertain from Duncan.

Clearly there was some dispute about this and also very clearly Hugh has steered very clear of discussing anything about his experience or his vessel. That is a real shame because I would love to hear some feedback about many of his choices, some that could apply to any vessel, such as the 24 volt vs 12 volt decision.

At this point I doubt we will ever get an update from Hugh. Take this all for whatever its worth. I certainly wish the best for Hugh and Duncan.
While you were talking to Duncan, did you ask him about the 24v upgrade? It would be hard for someone else to compare the two without using both on the same type and size boat. I would imagine Duncan went to 24v because with such long runs on a 50' boat it would be much cheaper to use smaller wire. Also you would have a considerable weight advantage using a 24v system; the 12v wire is much heavier. Also, big boats require , large water makers, large winches and the large inverter may be located far from the battery bank and 12v wiring size would be impractical and less efficient . If nothing else the price would have swayed Duncan. He's a thrifty guy; I've see him making his own repairs instead of hiring someone to do it. He's pretty tight but a nice man.
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Some friends and I are building two new St Francis 50's at the moment both 24v lithium house bank for nearly all systems. Only have 12v on Yanmars and Genset starting batteries.
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Some friends and I are building two new St Francis 50's at the moment both 24v lithium house bank for nearly all systems. Only have 12v on Yanmars and Genset starting batteries.
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Don't they have the option for 24v starters?
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