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24-08-2011, 15:09
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#616
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cruiser
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Brisbane AUS
Boat: Cowther 43 - Hunter 40.5
Posts: 1,006
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
Thanks. How long do you think it should take? 3 months sounded insane to me.
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24-08-2011, 15:12
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#617
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Blue Mountains, Australia
Boat: now skippering Syd Harbour charters
Posts: 1,557
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
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Originally Posted by dennisail
it takes up to 3 months to get the boat flying an AU flag.
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Our experience suggests otherwise. We imported a vessel lying in Sardinia, owned by a South African and flying a South African flag, through a UK broker, to Sydney. We flew the Australian flag.
Our Australian Registration process was certainly not simple, involving heaps of forms and processes, but the people at AMSA were generally (!) helpful. It certainly did not take 3 months to achieve what we needed to set sail, but -- This could be the important bit for others considering the same or similar process -- we proceeded in two steps, the first being Provisional Australian Registration. We then completed the process into Final registration after arrival in Sydney. The Provisional Registration gave us the Australian flag for the voyage and it was readily accepted all along the way.
Perhaps the most awkward part of the process before we embarked was the Bill of Sale. The Bill of Sale was required for Provisional Registration, but we wanted to have the vessel surveyed and trialled before we completed the Bill of Sale. We were able to 'streamline' the process by completing every other step (other than the Bill of Sale) in advance with AMSA so that, when we then completed the deal, the Provisional Registration (in our case lacking only the particular vessel markings required for Australian Registration, plus a certificate from the SA Registry confirming the vessel was de-registered in South Africa) was issued virtually immediately when the Bill of Sale (sent directly by the broker) arrived with AMSA...and we set sail!
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24-08-2011, 15:29
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#618
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cruiser
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Brisbane AUS
Boat: Cowther 43 - Hunter 40.5
Posts: 1,006
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
Good to hear. So how long do you think it would take all up? Was there a need to send snail mail back and forward repeatedly?
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24-08-2011, 15:51
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#619
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Blue Mountains, Australia
Boat: now skippering Syd Harbour charters
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
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Originally Posted by dennisail
how long do you think it would take all up? Was there a need to send snail mail back and forward repeatedly?
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Check the AMSA website. Under the " Shipping Registration" tab there is both a lot of information, plus all the various forms required. The forms and supporting documents generally need to be lodged as originals (including the all-important Bill of Sale) so yes, there is a fair need for snail mail, but not 3 months' worth. It's also worthwhile to simply call AMSA and talk to them about your exact circumstances and plans, confirming eaxctly what they will require from you before you start the snail mail process.
Our tip would be to aim for Provisional Registration -- You then have 12 months to complete Final Registration, although there may be other time limits once your vessel is landed in Australia -- from the start. With Provisional Registration, you become an Australian flag vessel and you're ready to embark.
It's also worth mentioning here that they/AMSA are a bit more relaxed about yachts than they might be for registering a ship. So, for examples, yachts do not require tonnage assessments and they can be a bit more flexible with the marking requirements on yachts as well.
If you stay focused and persistent, it should be less than a month, possibly even only a fortnight, to put yourself in a position where you're virtually (again, however, you may not have a Bill of Sale until you're actually at your intended purchase vessel) ready to achieve Provisional Registration.
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24-08-2011, 15:59
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#620
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cruiser
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Brisbane AUS
Boat: Cowther 43 - Hunter 40.5
Posts: 1,006
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
Thanks a lot mate
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24-08-2011, 17:52
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#621
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Brisbane
Boat: deboated
Posts: 672
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
Second hand information of the worry type should always be thoroughly checked as it is often incorrect. When mailing overseas always check which method will be quickest and do not assume it will automaticly go that way especially when leaving address is places like South America etc. Pay the extra to have it go jet rather than carrier pidgeon.
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24-08-2011, 18:39
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#622
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
Boat: Able 50
Posts: 3,139
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
Profound
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24-08-2011, 19:42
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2010
Location: some ocean down under
Boat: Kelsall Suncat 40
Posts: 1,248
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We have bought 2 yachts in the US and have never gone thru the Aussie rego process because it is too bureaucratic and too expensive.
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24-08-2011, 19:46
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#624
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2010
Location: some ocean down under
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Always done it thru the UK SSR, which consists of an online form and a 25 pound credit card payment. Too easy, very fast, highly efficient. Sure, we would prefer to sail around with the Aussie flag, so our Pommy ensign is pretty small and the Aussie and Chilean flags on the port shroud are much bigger. Australia still not yet being a republic is good for something. Long live Queen Lizzie!
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24-08-2011, 19:56
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#625
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
Boat: Able 50
Posts: 3,139
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
At 25 quid for 5 years it becomes difficult to argue against the logic of that move.
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24-08-2011, 19:56
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#626
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cruiser
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Brisbane AUS
Boat: Cowther 43 - Hunter 40.5
Posts: 1,006
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
Wow thanks Jimbo. So its a straight forward process to get the UK flag flying and costs $25? That's awesome.
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24-08-2011, 20:00
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#627
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2010
Location: some ocean down under
Boat: Kelsall Suncat 40
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You need a UK address, it is 25 quid, not dollars, must be a citizen of the Commonwealth and (in theory) spend at least 6 months per year as a UK resident.
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24-08-2011, 20:01
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#628
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
There's a catch . . . . . . . . . . . there's always a catch. You need a UK address.
Got any pommy rellos ?
Dang, beaten by seconds !
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24-08-2011, 21:04
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#629
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cruiser
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Brisbane AUS
Boat: Cowther 43 - Hunter 40.5
Posts: 1,006
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
Easy. Nikki has a dual UK - AU citizenship. He parents live there. Plus she has relatives in the USA. So we have plenty of options now for registration. This will not only save heaps of time it will save us $1200 in AU national registration. We can get QLD reg when we get back.
Awesomeness is Awesome.
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24-08-2011, 21:12
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#630
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 240
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Re: Importing a Boat to Australia
Quote:
Originally Posted by dennisail
We can get QLD reg when we get back.
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Or simply don't bother. It's just another tax with no benefit other than protection from the water police handing you fines.
Depends where you are, of course. If you're near a high-traffic port or city it could become more of an issue. We were in a city-area without state rego for quite sometime. Perhaps we were lucky, but we never had any problems. Also be mindful not to speed in your dinghy or anything else that could attract unwanted attention
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