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Admiral 5 1.81%
BroadBlue 18 6.52%
Catana 62 22.46%
Dean 4 1.45%
Privilege 29 10.51%
Lagoon 55 19.93%
St Francis 25 9.06%
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Old 20-10-2007, 05:29   #106
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Yes, Hobies have only three shrouds but why could that not be scaled up?..along with scaling up the teflon bearing at the mast base. It sure would make for a much cleaner leading edge.
Who needs all that crap if one could have a mast-aft rig to start with?
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Old 20-10-2007, 05:35   #107
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Easy, ditch the standing rigging altogether.

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I don't know how to draw something and get it posted here but I have a pretty cool drawing.

Too bad you can't see it.

Think of a spar attached at the bow and the stern - just one piece bowed in a big tall arc.

Could carbon fiber do that economically?

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Old 20-10-2007, 10:43   #108
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Old 20-10-2007, 11:59   #109
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Like any survey, you need to ask what you want this boat for. Your needs will be different for racing, coastal cruising, marina liveaboard, or offshore cruising.

The Gunboat looks great, but I am not sure I want to need to organize a crew in order to go sailing. Even all the young beautiful Swedish women crew might get tiring after a year or two (but I’ll probably never know).

I find the comments by Maxingout very reassuring. A little extra weight for a more solid build is worth it for long term liveaboard, offshore cruising. Somewhere around 45 ft, it becomes much more difficult to manage the boat without a crew. My perfect cat would be 40-42 ft, overbuilt with high tech fiber (carbon?) and epoxy.

The sail rig shown by Therapy is fascinating and looks promising, but I’m not yet ready to give up a major advantage of a large roach, fully battened mainsail: the automatic first reef.
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Old 20-10-2007, 12:10   #110
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lightweight

We do overbuilt our cats with 50 % in every part of the boat not in carbon fiber but in Glass/Carbon/Kevlar/Basalt and epoxy with resin infusion. That still does not mean it need to be heavy and another down side of heavy besides not performing is that everything takes extra beating so you need to build it heavier again. No heavy is good for an oil tanker but not for a cat.
Lightweight is the only way to go but yes it costs more than heavy , there is more labor involved and the high tech materials cost more .
But it takes less work to sail, not more so you might want to rethink that Gunboat with the crew of coeds for a couple of years , these years might

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Old 20-10-2007, 12:36   #111
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We do overbuilt our cats with 50 % in every part of the boat not in carbon fiber but in Glass/Carbon/Kevlar/Basalt and epoxy with resin infusion. That still does not mean it need to be heavy and another down side of heavy besides not performing is that everything takes extra beating so you need to build it heavier again. No heavy is good for an oil tanker but not for a cat.
Lightweight is the only way to go but yes it costs more than heavy , there is more labor involved and the high tech materials cost more .
But it takes less work to sail, not more so you might want to rethink that Gunboat with the crew of coeds for a couple of years , these years might

seam like a lifetime but what a life time

Oh yea!

Fastcat,

You are obviously well versed in newer trends, materials, ideas, etc.

Tell me why you would not think about a mast-aft rig.
I am assuming you read the link.

It makes so much sense to me.

And the other comment about "first reef", I just think a few turns on the roller......

The most depressing part is knowing I will never have enough money to put it where my mouth is.
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Mast Aft Rig

I think the mast aft Rig is a great idea not new , it has been around for over 400 years but in order to incorporate that into a existing design you
It is just to expensive , new tooling costs a fortune.
If designed from scratch in for instance a 50 ft cat the cost up to the production phase are well over 1.500.000,00 USD and than you only have all the tooling . After that you start to build the boat and you need to find buyers , that is the hardest part since a lot of people will be interested but very few will actually come to the party with a brandnew designed sailplan and cat.
Yes I am sure it will work great but the cost OO the cost .
I designed the Green Motion propulsion system so I konow what I am talking about , we are well into the 1 mil. figure and the first prototype are running .
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Old 20-10-2007, 15:06   #113
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I think the mast aft Rig is a great idea not new , it has been around for over 400 years but in order to incorporate that into a existing design you
It is just to expensive , new tooling costs a fortune.
If designed from scratch in for instance a 50 ft cat the cost up to the production phase are well over 1.500.000,00 USD and than you only have all the tooling . After that you start to build the boat and you need to find buyers , that is the hardest part since a lot of people will be interested but very few will actually come to the party with a brandnew designed sailplan and cat.
Yes I am sure it will work great but the cost OO the cost .
I designed the Green Motion propulsion system so I konow what I am talking about , we are well into the 1 mil. figure and the first prototype are running .
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I sort of thought that would be the case and it is too bad.
Perhaps when you make a bunch of money from your fastcats you will give it a try and really take the market!

Oh well.
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So you'd like to think.
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Who needs all that crap if one could have a mast-aft rig to start with?
All what crap? A forestay and capshrouds? Rotating masts are pretty simple, most racing multi's use them, and quite a few cruising ones do too. Like anything there are pro's and con's. I'm sure the mast-aft setup has things for and against it too - if it was all positive then there would be more of them around surely?

I realise some boaters are very resistant to trying anything new, even if it is better (they still build monohulls don't they?) But if something were definitely an improvement it would surely gain some level of acceptance.
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Old 20-10-2007, 22:54   #116
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I certainly don't want a boat to be heavy, but a little extra (just like people) can be healthy. There is a point where a lot of extra money can be spent with diminishing weight benefits. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of overbuilding with high tech materials, I just don't want to have to work for another 5 years to pay for it.
The point with the big roach fully battened main is that the first reef is FULLY AUTOMATIC. That is to say, you have lots of sail area up high where the wind is, but as the wind picks up, the the roach bends to leeward, spilling wind.
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Just like your cat we use the first 2 reefs with single line reefing , if you combine this with the dutchman sail flaking system you have the ideal reefing situation see
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Great thread..mmmm hard to chose from GUNBOAT 48/62/66 !!! with money no object,still hard to chose; all can be single or shorthanded sailed easy to.:}
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Yes I think they can be and I feel that any good designed cat or monohull under 60 ft should be made to be sailed single handedly even though you might be out with more people , people get seasick , sleep etc so being able to sail single handedly is a big bonus.
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cheers fastcat....yes U right that single/shorthanded is important if crew have seasickness when on watch;on any boat!!!

Thats reminds me where do you get good crews for that ocean crossing???
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