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Admiral 5 1.81%
BroadBlue 18 6.52%
Catana 62 22.46%
Dean 4 1.45%
Privilege 29 10.51%
Lagoon 55 19.93%
St Francis 25 9.06%
African Cats 24 8.70%
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Old 17-03-2008, 08:33   #151
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I would imagine you have a two to three year wait! You have greater patience than I do. Of course by the time you get it will probably have increased in value 15%.
2 years or less. They have a new shed and molds.
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I am the lucky one with hull number 2.
Will be done at the end of this year hopefully.....

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Congratulations, you are one lucky sailor. How much will she weigh lightship?

If someone doesn't want to wait so long, they can contact Simon Bongers at Bongers marine outside Capetown. He apparently did a good job on the 6-7 Atlantics he built, but apparently fell out with Chris White, but he is still a damn good builder. The Rand has followed the dollar down, so for a uS based owner it has no effect. For a European, it makes the work 25% cheaper than a year ago.

Otherwise I know a couple of good yards down there who could do it in about 8-9 months.

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Congratulations, you are one lucky sailor. How much will she weigh lightship?

If someone doesn't want to wait so long, they can contact Simon Bongers at Bongers marine outside Capetown. He apparently did a good job on the 6-7 Atlantics he built, but apparently fell out with Chris White, but he is still a damn good builder. The Rand has followed the dollar down, so for a uS based owner it has no effect. For a European, it makes the work 25% cheaper than a year ago.

Otherwise I know a couple of good yards down there who could do it in about 8-9 months.

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I have seen Bongers work and you are right it is first class, but I believe the falling out was because of Bonger Marine financial problems, that were caused by production control from growing too fast, laying off workers, and not being able to perform because of it.

I think going to another yard that doesn't have female hull molds for Chris's Atlantic 47 or 57 could be more costly in the long run.
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I second the work of Simon Bongers work , there is no better , I have sailed and been on many of his produced Atlantics and they where all great Cats.
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I remember being on an Atlantic 42 in Georgetown, they called out for help regarding a computer problem and when I found out what kind of boat it was I volunteered. My wife gave me a bit of guilt for that, sort of like pulling over for a broken down car only when there's an attractive female stranded. It was a nice boat, the owner left for a few days and the wind clocked around and it was in a bit of unprotected fetch during a storm. I looked at her to see how she was riding the steep chop and the boat looked completely unaffected, just riding absolutely level, no pitching, no fishing around at anchor.
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You where rigth Doug and your wife should have come along , These cats are a different breed very well thought out and good sailing cats
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I remember being on an Atlantic 42 in Georgetown, they called out for help regarding a computer problem and when I found out what kind of boat it was I volunteered. My wife gave me a bit of guilt for that, sort of like pulling over for a broken down car only when there's an attractive female stranded. It was a nice boat, the owner left for a few days and the wind clocked around and it was in a bit of unprotected fetch during a storm. I looked at her to see how she was riding the steep chop and the boat looked completely unaffected, just riding absolutely level, no pitching, no fishing around at anchor.
It does look like fun, doesn't it. Atlantic 42' at 20 knots.

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It does look like fun, doesn't it. Atlantic 42' at 20 knots.
Sure does, fantastic picture, and note that no one has fled out of the forward cockpit!! At that speed I would stay therte for the sensation alone, forget about a bit of water...

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Congratulations, you are one lucky sailor. How much will she weigh lightship?

If someone doesn't want to wait so long, they can contact Simon Bongers at Bongers marine outside Capetown. He apparently did a good job on the 6-7 Atlantics he built, but apparently fell out with Chris White, but he is still a damn good builder. The Rand has followed the dollar down, so for a uS based owner it has no effect. For a European, it makes the work 25% cheaper than a year ago.

Otherwise I know a couple of good yards down there who could do it in about 8-9 months.

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Despite her 57 feet Lely's hull and deck structure all complete weighed close to 10,000 lbs. Fully equipped and rigged for sailing she weighs less than many production 40' cats! And she's far stronger. In build quality there is no comparison to be made to the likes of Catana, Privilege, Lagoon, etc… The Atlantic 57TMis an entirely different kind of animal designed and built to be the safest, most comfortable, best performing cruising catamaran in the world. If you don't believe me and are serious about buying a cat I will be happy to demonstrate the boat.
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cost of Chris White Cat

What do the Chris White Cats cost for either a 42' or 57' roughly?
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What do the Chris White Cats cost for either a 42' or 57' roughly?
With the uncontrolled material costs, the builder selected, and beating the dollar is taking, I do not think you will get a firm price, but rather a contact to account for escalation.

My last discussion with Chris on the topic put the 42', 48', and 57' at a respective estimated cost of approx. 6,8,and 1.3 hundred thousand depending on the builder. That price is ready to sail. You select and purchase electronics which the builder installs. These prices could have changed since my last discussions with Chris.

When you look at the high quality of materials, especially the high strength epoxy construction through out; I think the pricing looks pretty good compared to production line boats that are built with blistering potential polyester, heavy, and slow. They are half that of a GunBoat. As you can tell I have been looking at it seriously.
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Sure does, fantastic picture, and note that no one has fled out of the forward cockpit!! At that speed I would stay therte for the sensation alone, forget about a bit of water...

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No way not to get a little wet at this speed, but compared to an Outremer, with it's blunt entry that throws a wall of water up with every wave it hits; an Atlantic is a very dry ride. The fine entry and high bridge deck clearance of Atlantic's make for a very smooth, dry, non-pounding ride compared to most other cats. The Atlantic 48' has a 36" bridge deck clearance when full loaded. Notice how clean the underside of the bridge deck is without any bumps and protrusions to catch waves and pound, compared to even a Catana, which is a very nice cat.

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I thought to at least include a picture of the other (very dry) cat and both the above cats ( Atlantic 42 and Catana 471) are very dry compared with most

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To get a idea of what wet means......

Any cat can be a wet ride at high speed, but as you can see the blunt entry of an Outremer doesn't make it any drier. I always wonder why they have not made the Outremer with sharper entry to reduce spray.
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To get a idea of what wet means......

Any cat can be a wet ride at high speed, but as you can see the blunt entry of an Outremer doesn't make it any drier. I always wonder why they have not made the Outremer with sharper entry to reduce spray.
This is the main reason for us to lenghten the bow and make the entry finer. Who wants to be wet all the time?
Nice clip of the Outremer
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