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View Poll Results: Which type of catamarans would you choose, price not an object
Admiral 5 1.81%
BroadBlue 18 6.52%
Catana 62 22.46%
Dean 4 1.45%
Privilege 29 10.51%
Lagoon 55 19.93%
St Francis 25 9.06%
African Cats 24 8.70%
PDQ 26 9.42%
Voyage 9 3.26%
Manta 25 9.06%
Leapord 41 14.86%
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Old 17-02-2008, 10:49   #136
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The kind with one hull. har har har
when you posted this? Or did you post the same thing twice because you really want two hulls....
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Old 20-02-2008, 13:35   #137
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This Nigel Irens design looks nice:

Hi Roblanford!

Where can I see more info this design? I like the cockpit!
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I second the vote for a Chris White Atlantic. The original forward cockpit. It would be between the 57' and 48' with light strong epoxy construction. The Atlantic 48 is my favorite for short handed sailing with plenty of sail power and able to chew up miles pointing into the wind and seas with inside steering for the cold/wet nights. Comfortable in all seas. Can sail while others are motoring. I've heard they have proven capable of giving Gunboats a run for their money.







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Old 16-03-2008, 09:51   #139
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Nice looking boat..nice layout.

Has anyone put a helm on both the inside and outside?.....seems this could be the best of both worlds. Inside when it is nasty and outside when it is nice or one needs to do some maneuvering alongside the dock.
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ldrhawke,
Nice looking boat..nice layout.

Has anyone put a helm on both the inside and outside?.....seems this could be the best of both worlds. Inside when it is nasty and outside when it is nice or one needs to do some maneuvering alongside the dock.

Chris White has a helm in the forward cockpit as well.
Chris White is one of the great multihull designers around in my opinion, and his boats have also heavily inspired the Gunboats. Look at a Gunboat from the front, and you will see what i mean. The Atlantics have a great reputation as fast comfortable cruisers.
The boat I'm designing, the Nordic 49 foot bi-rig cat will have 3 helms, forecockpit, aftcockpit and inside. It's alot more engineering, but should give the best of all worlds. I'm adding fixed windows in the coachroof above the inside steering position so you can see the sails. My forward cockpit is wider than on an Atlantic, so this means I don't get the 2 bunks on the bridgedeck, as this is where any waves will hit.

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ldrhawke,
Nice looking boat..nice layout.

Has anyone put a helm on both the inside and outside?.....seems this could be the best of both worlds. Inside when it is nasty and outside when it is nice or one needs to do some maneuvering alongside the dock.
HalloDavid

I have sailed both the Atlantic 42 and the 55 and they sail great but when the weather is nasty you have to be out there, unprotected in any way It must be my age but i prefer the protection in the rear of the saloon and under a bimini to be out of the sun.
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I have sailed both the Atlantic 42 and the 55 and they sail great but when the weather is nasty you have to be out there, unprotected in any way It must be my age but i prefer the protection in the rear of the saloon and under a bimini to be out of the sun.
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Why do you have to be out there? Are you racing? While cruising, it seems to me that you'd stay in the comfort of a warm cabin that has superior visibility. My experience although much more limited than yours is that when the weather is nasty the crew stays inside and comfortable. You might have to adjust the sails ever now and then but you could slow the boat down so that it's not creating a lot of spray. What am I missing?
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Why do you have to be out there? Are you racing? While cruising, it seems to me that you'd stay in the comfort of a warm cabin that has superior visibility. My experience although much more limited than yours is that when the weather is nasty the crew stays inside and comfortable. You might have to adjust the sails ever now and then but you could slow the boat down so that it's not creating a lot of spray. What am I missing?

Good point! If you need to put in a second or third reef, you will probably need to go out to the mast on all boats. i.e. leave from behind the protection of the saloon. You're going to get wet regardless, unless you slow the boat down. I would much rather stand in a nice deep cockpit than on a sloping and pitching foredeck, and have to walk out on the high side decks.
Bluerhapcity, how bad does the weather have to be before you retreat to the inside steering position?
Some of the Oram designs also have a forward cockpit - what is the feedback from these?

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Bluerhapcity, how bad does the weather have to be before you retreat to the inside steering position?
I don't know yet. Mine is being built.

Here's a little sister ship video of the Atlantic 48 cruising at 12 knots. The video is being filmed from inside the dry bridgedeck. Great visibility huh.

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I don't know yet. Mine is being built.

Here's a little sister ship video of the Atlantic 48 cruising at 12 knots. The video is being filmed from inside the dry bridgedeck. Great visibility huh.


Yup, and alot warmer and drier than sitting in the aft cockpit! Living in Denmark, there are lots of days even in the summer, where a nice warm and dry saloon is the place to be.

I just don't understand all the designs, where you don't get all round visibility when seated, some even not when standing. Too many boats even have the nav station facing aft,or down in a hull.

Where's your boat being built?

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I imagine here.............Alwoplast S.A

I'm envious. You must have hull number two under construction. When will it be done? Are you having the wood interior finish like Levy had?

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I imagine here.............Alwoplast S.A

I'm envious. You must have hull number two under construction. When will it be done?
I am the lucky one with hull number 2.
Will be done at the end of this year hopefully.....

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Good point! If you need to put in a second or third reef, you will probably need to go out to the mast on all boats. i.e. leave from behind the protection of the saloon. You're going to get wet regardless, unless you slow the boat down. I would much rather stand in a nice deep cockpit than on a sloping and pitching foredeck, and have to walk out on the high side decks.
Bluerhapcity, how bad does the weather have to be before you retreat to the inside steering position?
Some of the Oram designs also have a forward cockpit - what is the feedback from these?

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Bob had a forward cockpit on his own "Mango" 38 footer. You do all the steering and most sail handling from the rear cockpit, and reef the main from the front. He speaks very highly of it - particularly the ease of walking from the rear cockpit through the salon to the front for reefing operations - no climbing up onto the sidedecks. In the right conditions he said it was a wonderful place to sit.

It did take up a fair bit of the salon though, I think it works best on bigger boats.
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I would imagine you have a two to three year wait! You have greater patience than I do. Of course by the time you get it will probably have increased in value 15%.
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