Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 23-03-2008, 13:36   #46
Senior Cruiser
 
Therapy's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: W Florida
Boat: The Jon boat still, plus a 2007 SeaCat.
Posts: 6,894
Images: 4
Slightly blue as.....................
...............................................I.. ....................
.................................................. .....................Ty..........
.................................................. ..........................p...........
.................................................. ..............................e.....
__________________

__________________
Therapy is offline  
Old 24-03-2008, 09:42   #47
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 51
Thanks everyone for the group perspective. It is encouraging to me that someone else walked away from Miami and liked the St. Francis 50 for overall cost / performance/ size vs. Lagoon, Leopard, Catana, etc. I would have loved to see a Privalege, FP, Gunboat, etc. I appreciate that It might be better to pay my dues in a smaller cat. I intend to get out for at least 3 weeks in 3 different large cats before making my decision. I am also thinking about picking up a Hobie and paying some dues on it. I feel as if I could start in the BVI and never do more than day sail until my confidence improves. I envy you salty sailors, lashed to the mast in a gale and chewing on a crust of bread - but it is true I am mostly about kicking back and enjoying the party. I might never leave the virgin islands! I was looking at trawlers and the most efficient were cats - so why not have a sail? I am thinking my experience on large twin engine boats counts for something. So what if I motor upwind sometimes? I hear I won't be the only one....
__________________

__________________
Thenaz007 is offline  
Old 24-03-2008, 12:13   #48
Elvish meaning 'Far-Wanderer'
 
Palarran's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Me - Michigan / Boat - Tenerife
Boat: 56' Fountaine Pajot Marquises
Posts: 2,641
I've owned an old Venture 16, Solcat 18, Hobie 18, and Hobie 20. If your going for a Hobie - the 20 is one awesome machine. So fast it scared me a couple of times. I used to have my sister stand on the boom and lay back into the sail as I went up on one. We could hold it steady for miles on Lake Michigan. I could go on and on about that boat but suffice to say I never regreted spending the money for a Hobie 20 Miracle.
__________________
Palarran is offline  
Old 24-03-2008, 13:58   #49
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,576
Images: 240
Do I understand correctly that you plan to spend a week on a livaboard sailing course on a Leopard 45 - and expect that (and perhaps afew comments here on the CF) will set your expectations for a 300 - 400 thousand dollar investment?

Let me suggest that:
1. You're not as anal about "details" as most Engineers, that I know.
2. “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”, but it's not near so dangerous as a lot of ignorance.”
__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is online now  
Old 24-03-2008, 14:27   #50
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 51
I meant that the week on the Leopard would set my performance standard. Faster cats will feel fast, slower will feel slow. Windward performance, etc., will then be judged from that baseline. In the 4 weeks since I became infatuated with the idea of my cat trawler having a sail I have devoured $400 worth of books, spent 4 days on 20 cats at the boat show">Miami boat show, spent a day each on cat charters in Naples and Provo, scoured the internet, and joined this forum. At this point, how much more educated do you think I should be? I know very little so far about actually sailing and living on board a catamaran, but thank you, Mr. Moderator, for your very accurate quotes.
__________________
Thenaz007 is offline  
Old 24-03-2008, 14:35   #51
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by GordMay View Post
“A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”, but it's not near so dangerous as a lot of ignorance.”
Absolutely love that!!.........will tuck it away for future use :cubalibre

But, I thought a little unfair to aim at Thenaz007
David_Old_Jersey is offline  
Old 24-03-2008, 14:38   #52
Marine Service Provider
 
fastcat435's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Amstelveen Netherlands
Boat: FastCat 445 Green Motion
Posts: 1,649
Images: 10
Send a message via Skype™ to fastcat435
I feel Thenaz 007 should as much as he can go around the forum , boat shows , test sails . visit new and used cats for sale etc . This is the only way to get a feel of what one really wants , I cannot call that ignorant, It is the way most people develop in life.

Good luck OO7 in the hunt for a Cat
Do not shoot one
__________________
fastcat435 is offline  
Old 24-03-2008, 14:54   #53
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: West Texas
Boat: Looking, looking, Looking
Posts: 89
Images: 1
Why not look at

I single handed a Main Cat 41 and although I am not going to make it "my" retirement boat for a lot of reasons, it sailed fast, responded well, had lots of room inside (a full shower and 2 quueen and 2 v berths) and all could be controled from the helm, including the windless for the anchor.

Fred
__________________
fbchristo is offline  
Old 02-04-2008, 08:55   #54
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 51
I really liked the Maine Cat 41 for a performance boat. Accomodations are a little tight for a livaboard to my taste.
__________________
Thenaz007 is offline  
Old 02-04-2008, 09:55   #55
Registered User
 
solarbri's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Idaho
Boat: Custom 36' folding sailing cat
Posts: 297
Long Live Fascat and all of his observations, idea, thoughts, promotions, and even his sales pitches...
The guy is clearly an honest, objective, and excitable individual.
I know I for one am working on my wife and the purse strings so that I might have a chance to do business with this individual in the near future... and I'm about as knowledgable and experienced as Thenaz007!!
__________________
solarbri is offline  
Old 02-04-2008, 10:42   #56
Registered User
 
Nordic cat's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Denmark
Boat: FP Tobago 35
Posts: 721
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenaz007 View Post
I meant that the week on the Leopard would set my performance standard. Faster cats will feel fast, slower will feel slow. Windward performance, etc., will then be judged from that baseline. In the 4 weeks since I became infatuated with the idea of my cat trawler having a sail I have devoured $400 worth of books, spent 4 days on 20 cats at the Miami boat show, spent a day each on cat charters in Naples and Provo, scoured the internet, and joined this forum. At this point, how much more educated do you think I should be? I know very little so far about actually sailing and living on board a catamaran, but thank you, Mr. Moderator, for your very accurate quotes.

Don't be put off by all trhe experts 15 years ago, i had never sailed a monohull or a keel boat, wanted to sail using the wind, looked at the options. As an engineer, the only logical way as far as I could see was a multihull. I chose a cat for the space and privacy it offered us as parents with 2 young kids.
I bought the first boat i looked at, as it was what i could afford. (an Iroquois - 32 ft) Got a friend who once owned a monohull to help with the delivery trip- only 100 miles in coastal waters.
From then on, I did some reading on sail trim, an understanding of how sails work etc. Got caught in irons a few times - just fired up the engine the first couple of times, until someone told me how to reverse the rudder.
Basically, learning by doing. For short trips you can always fire up the engines if the boat won't go where you want...

Build your skills and confidence, and enjoy.

I reckon boats are a bit like houses, its probably the third one that ticks most of the boxes, because then you know enough to be able to make well balanced compromises.

My suggestion is:
Buy something that is easy to sell, not a new boat to begin with, learn the ropes, then get something closer to what you want. Don't invest in a whole lot of upgrades on the first boat, as you probably won't get it covered when selling again.

Good luck

Regards

Alan
__________________
Nordic cat is offline  
Old 02-04-2008, 11:41   #57
Marine Service Provider
 
fastcat435's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Amstelveen Netherlands
Boat: FastCat 445 Green Motion
Posts: 1,649
Images: 10
Send a message via Skype™ to fastcat435
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nordic cat View Post
Don't be put off by all trhe experts 15 years ago, i had never sailed a monohull or a keel boat, wanted to sail using the wind, looked at the options. As an engineer, the only logical way as far as I could see was a multihull. I chose a cat for the space and privacy it offered us as parents with 2 young kids.
I bought the first boat i looked at, as it was what i could afford. (an Iroquois - 32 ft) Got a friend who once owned a monohull to help with the delivery trip- only 100 miles in coastal waters.
From then on, I did some reading on sail trim, an understanding of how sails work etc. Got caught in irons a few times - just fired up the engine the first couple of times, until someone told me how to reverse the rudder.
Basically, learning by doing. For short trips you can always fire up the engines if the boat won't go where you want...

Build your skills and confidence, and enjoy.

I reckon boats are a bit like houses, its probably the third one that ticks most of the boxes, because then you know enough to be able to make well balanced compromises.

My suggestion is:
Buy something that is easy to sell, not a new boat to begin with, learn the ropes, then get something closer to what you want. Don't invest in a whole lot of upgrades on the first boat, as you probably won't get it covered when selling again.

Good luck

Regards

Alan
Something else you might want to do if you have the time is become a crew member on a delivery of a catamaran for a 3 to 5 week trip and that way you will know what it is all about it will save you to purchase the try out boat and you might even find out it is not for you or that living on a cat is everything.Plenty of Catamarans leave South Africa for the carribean or the Med and this will give you 8000 nm experience with minimal cost.

Good Luck

Gideon
__________________
fastcat435 is offline  
Old 02-04-2008, 11:42   #58
cruiser
 
BigCat's Avatar

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Everett, Washington
Posts: 765
Epoxy layup

Fastcat, since the manufacturer of your resin doesn't publish its properties on the internet, and since you claim great things for it, I wonder if you would be willing to publish its tensile strength and elongation before breaking? Epoxy varies a great deal in these properties, and some well-respected epoxy resin have properties lower than Reichhold vinylester resins which are designed to reach maximum strength without postcuring (baking.)

Thanks,

BigCat
__________________
BigCat is offline  
Old 02-04-2008, 15:04   #59
Senior Cruiser
 
Therapy's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: W Florida
Boat: The Jon boat still, plus a 2007 SeaCat.
Posts: 6,894
Images: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by fastcat435 View Post
Something else you might want to do if you have the time is become a crew member on a delivery of a catamaran for a 3 to 5 week trip and that way you will know what it is all about it will save you

Gideon
There have been several like that and what I find out is no one really wants a person with monohull experience from the past and no "real" recent experience. They are not interested in crew aboard to get taught things.

The charter stuff is just too expensive. 4k for a week........just for the boat! I'm thinking that is a plotter, batteries, water heater, bottom job, or some such "upgrade". But I guess if one is looking at 400k cat then pissing 6k away on a week of charter (like it will teach you much) (maybe a school week?) is probably pretty painless huh?

Oh well back to the MacGreggor thread.
__________________
Therapy is offline  
Old 02-04-2008, 18:12   #60
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 123
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCat View Post
Fastcat, since the manufacturer of your resin doesn't publish its properties on the internet, and since you claim great things for it, I wonder if you would be willing to publish its tensile strength and elongation before breaking? Epoxy varies a great deal in these properties, and some well-respected epoxy resin have properties lower than Reichhold vinylester resins which are designed to reach maximum strength without postcuring (baking.)

Thanks,

BigCat
Did i fall into a different thread..
__________________

__________________
Randall is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:38.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.