I too welcome your input on the forum and the many ideas you contribute.
"There is no faster st francis than my 48 around and that all has to do with weight"
How can you make such a statement when you have not sailed the other St Francis 50's?
New to the using the sails
bit of boating
, I was frankly very confused with the St Francis 48 at first. On your web site its advertised as a FastCat 48 and at a very high price
. You offered it for sale
to me for 500,000 Euros ( alower price) but did not respond to my email
pointing out that this was way over (not just a bit) what you paid for it. You also now claim that the SF boat is not the right boat for me because it requires more skill than I have or apparently will have to sail...
You told us its the lightest SF 48 in the world because you supervised the construction to save 50 per cent of the weight etc. Yet in the end all you could do is what all owners do - choose the options etc so as to save weight. Is that agreed?
I ask you when you have sailed a SF 50 and get no answer.
I thought hard and hesitated before allowing some of my doubts public expression. I am not here to do other than enjoy my sailing and the process of buying
a boat but I found myself just having to challenge some of the claims you make - challenge you to prove them.
You told me that you have now sold up to hull
19. I thought (and correct me if I am wrong) that to the time of my visit 4 FastCats existed - so I was looking at 50% of the world stock sitting at the pontoon in Amsterdam
Having sold up to hull
19 staring at what you call hull zero, that makes 20 FastCats in the bag and being produced at a rate of 7 a year - you are by any standards outselling just about everyone out there except the large production cats - an amazing feat which you should be proud about.
The new Fast Cats should appear on the market at the rate of over one every 2 months for the next two years, so you have every opportunity to have a growing number of customers supporting your speed claims.
In the over 4 years you have had the SF48 which you claim to be a demo boat, you have not sold her. I think if you charged anything like the price
you paid for her she would sell straight away but that is just my opinion and I am a novice
in the sail side of the market. You are not a St Francis dealer nor have you ever sold a St Francis boat so there is no need to keep her as a demo boat. She is a good boat.
I would also like to add that I made my novice
stature perfectly clear on this forum - a forum that has been a great source of advice to me. You invited me over to Amsterdam
on the basis of a trial sail that could show me what your boat could do.I never realised that you refuse to sell your boats to the inexperienced and would not have wasted my time and money
in coming over had I known that was the case. Whenever did you get the idea that i could qualify to buy your boat when I openly declared that I had not sailed a cat before?
As regards any moderation on this forum all I have to say is that all I am doing is asking an openly declared commercial
vendor on this forum to back up the claims he is making for his product as well as claims about third party products such as the SF 48 and SF 50.
To date my conclusion is that both the Leopard 46
and the SF 50 are faster boats than the FastCat - that is an amazing personal conclusion for me to make. That opinion coming from a rank novice in sailing may carry no weight anywhere and I ask anyone reading my opinion to understand that I am a novice in sailing, but it is my conclusion on the evidence in front of me because I sailed faster in the other two boats in light wind
than the FastCat could manage in winds of two or three times the magnitude. Mind you I did not appreciate that You Gideon were intentionally sailing slowly with all the sails
up in a 23 to 28 knot wind
There was one point in the SF50 where we hit a squall when returning to port and lowered the mainsail
in 31 knots of wind - that is on the video. However the winds were mainly 6 knots to 12 knots as was the case with the Leopard
and I managed to understand, despite my novice status, how the boats performed at different points of sail.
As a novice I would have thought that sailing close to the wind which is what you have claimed for the FastCat sea trail was a less comfortable point of sail than a broad reach so I am now even more confused as to why in a sharp steep short seas you chose the most uncomfortable and slowest point of sail to demo the boat and how you managed to turn a full circle and return to port without going through other points of sail?
My suggestion to you with a FastCat being produced every two months is that you take one of the latest production boats, set up a series of independent verifiable tests and prove all the critics wrong. You have the power in your own hands to demonstrate what your boats can do.
I have communicated with a number of SF 50 owners who frequently get over 200 mile days and sometimes as high as 240 mile days as an exception. Are there any such customer results for the two existing FastCat customers?
Over to you Gideon. I want you to prove me wrong because in so doing I can only learn more about sailing and you can only have a great PR success that would sell even more FastCats.