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Old 21-07-2015, 22:58   #16
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Re: Hey Comanche - This is how you do it

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Actually, Wild Oats holds the RACE record for Sydney to Hobart, but has never held the official passage speed record.

Because it's a MOTORSAILER.

There would be no point them trying for a speed record, because MOTORSAILERS can't hold them.

If they were real men, they'd switch the 200hp diesel off for a while and SAIL the f***ing thing.
WOIX was built under the IMS rules as a 100ft Maxi to take line honours and when the conditions suit, even win on handicap. If the rules don't exclude you from running a generator to power a hydraulic ram etc, then maybe they would fall short of their goals.

If Oatly wanted the speed records, then he might have gone down Clarkes route.
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You have never been on a big fast tri have you mate. In fact I suspect by that comment you haven't been on anything doing better than 20 knots. Lets see the size of your gonads then pal. Any boat mono or multi at decent speeds requires intestinal fortitude and a bit of commitment to drive hard and fast for a long time. Have a go on a really quick boat and get back to us will you.
You started this thread with a dumb arse comment bashing Comanche yet again taking Clarkes comment out of context, but you don't seem to understand the concept of context.

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the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood.


He built it to race within the IMS rules as a 100 foot Maxi.

If I was the race organisers, I'd be a bit pissed off with the owners of Lending Club for spitting the dummy over weather and puling out of the race. Why bother let yachts like that enter in the future if they are going weather prima donnas
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Every one keeps quoting a newspaper article stating Comanche was built to be the "fastest boat". Not so. Comanche was built specifically to break mono-hull crew powered records. Both miles over time, which she has achieved, and course records, which I at least believe she will. There are separate records for classes of boat. Lending tree and Comanche are not after the same records.
And don't forget Comanche was built under IMS regulations which are designed to even up on handicap boats between 30+ feet and 100 feet. Lending Club is I guess a Class G maxi multihull which is for large multis and for speed records.
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I really do get sick of posts like this. I have sailed Multihulls for over 50 years so I went through the period where the monohullers all put us down but just because things have changed doesn't mean that Multihullers should put down Monohulls. The only post on here worth reading is by Jman, at least he knows what he is talking about unlike some other comments. Why don't we all try to grow up and just enjoy the ride without trying to belittle someone else's achievements. There are exceptional boats from both sides and it's always easy to say mine is bigger than yours, that is only true if they are side by side in identical conditions and conditions can change even in the one race so luck and skill come into it as well. Get out there and enjoy yourselves
What's this? A voice of reason and generic kindness here on a bash-the-other-kinda-boat thread...

Good to hear!

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be a bit pissed off with the owners of Lending Club for spitting the dummy over weather and puling out of the race.
They weren't - this is what the organisers had to say in regard the decision to hunt the record instead of the race.

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Lending Club 2 is no longer in the Transpac 2015 Race, they are continuing an attempt on the world record for the Transpac course. We wish them luck.
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Re: Hey Comanche - This is how you do it

Please correct me if I am wrong here on this

1/ lending club tri formally grouparama formally banque they averaged a boat speed of 24.61 knots over a 24 hr period ?

2/ Mono hull Comanche just set a record of 25.75 knots over 24 hr period ?
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What's this? A voice of reason and generic kindness here on a bash-the-other-kinda-boat thread...

Good to hear!

Jim
You mean the bash the multihull forum? The bashing going the other direction is very small by comparison.
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Please correct me if I am wrong here on this

1/ lending club tri formally grouparama formally banque they averaged a boat speed of 24.61 knots over a 24 hr period ?

2/ Mono hull Comanche just set a record of 25.75 knots over 24 hr period ?
Lending club set a new LA-Honolulu record. The 24 hour record for multihulls is 908 miles. At 37.8 knots.
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Re: Hey Comanche - This is how you do it

Tell me what you brag and I'll tell you what you lack,, in other words this topic is pointless until you guys try to compare a big mono with a big mono or a tri with another tri....
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Tell me what you brag and I'll tell you what you lack,, in other words this topic is pointless until you guys try to compare a big mono with a big mono or a tri with another tri....
I just compare sailboats to sail boats, and I'll say this for Comanche, at least its a sail boat. As distinct from Oats.
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I just compare sailboats to sail boats, and I'll say this for Comanche, at least its a sail boat. As distinct from Oats.
Still no make sense, they are diferent animals, try to compare Lending club V Sodebo, thats a fair game i think, we all know that those huge Trimarans are faster than any monohull on earth, i dont see any posible comparison between both. You guys have a personal problem with Oats and i dont know why, Oats dont write the SH2 rules.
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Neil, you are correct in the literal sense, but I strongly suspect that Mr Oates an his super rich brethren do have a lot of influence on the folks who run the S2H race. If not, how does o ne explain the rule changes that allow the use of engine power to drive keels and winches? This once was illegal, now is condoned... all for the benefit of folks who want to have big boy bragging rights (and hoopla for the sponsoring corporations).

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Still no make sense, they are diferent animals, try to compare Lending club V Sodebo, thats a fair game i think, we all know that those huge Trimarans are faster than any monohull on earth, i dont see any posible comparison between both. You guys have a personal problem with Oats and i dont know why, Oats dont write the SH2 rules.
I guess I do have a problem with what is often touted as being the fastest sailboat in Aus (even though it isn't by a long chalk) having a 200 horsepower diesel churning away all the time so it can "sail".

Or to put it another way - give me a 200 hp engine, and about 1/2 a million bucks, and I reckon I could build a "rotating keel" boat that would beat Wild oats to Hobart 9 times out of 10.

And as Jim says, no doubt there was some "influence" exerted to get these motorsailers allowed into the race.

A big plus for Comanche there. At least it CAN be sailed. It doesn't have to motor all the time.

Although... reading their description it sounded to me like they were sailing along, found conditions were about perfect, so switched their engine off to do the record run. Does that mean they used the powered winches to raise the main? Is the record valid then?
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