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Old 12-12-2009, 16:51   #16
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The PDQ 36 is an excellent boat. You can get input from owners at www.pdqforum.com.
Also check out www.pdq36.com
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Budget is 100-150k


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That's shortened the list some what surely?
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Old 13-12-2009, 08:06   #18
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Thanks too all who have responded with usefull info especially the reccomended reading. AS far as layouts go is can folks comment on Gally up versus below? Also what makes have system layouts that make working on the boat a nightmare? I know many monohuls whose electrical and plumbing systems make service difficult. Headliners and such that make rebedding deck hardware tough etc. Also are there some "ideal" demensions for seakindliness in the 38-40 foot range? Such as beam, bridgedeck height, sail area, displacement etc?

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In your price range, the PDQ 36 is the pick IMHO

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Thanks too all who have responded with usefull info especially the reccomended reading. AS far as layouts go is can folks comment on Gally up versus below? Also what makes have system layouts that make working on the boat a nightmare? I know many monohuls whose electrical and plumbing systems make service difficult. Headliners and such that make rebedding deck hardware tough etc. Also are there some "ideal" demensions for seakindliness in the 38-40 foot range? Such as beam, bridgedeck height, sail area, displacement etc?

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There are many in the Annapolis area. However, many yards cannot haul them - it's not much more expensive, just a shorter list of yards. There are ~ 4 on the hard right now at Herrington harbor in Deale.

They are tough as hell and several have been around the world. I have a 1997 PDQ 32 (~ $110,000) and it is a little too small for your needs, but I would take it anywhere within reason.

Regarding ease of service, you are going to love the PDQ. Very well thought-out in that regard. Built for a long life.

My blog has links to some PDQ stuff.
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Old 14-12-2009, 12:48   #20
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Thoughts on FP Athena or Antigua? Also I am told bridge deck height is important. How can I find out what models have good bridge deck height? Can anyone point me to a good source of info on ratios to look at for crusining cats? Things like SA/Disp, Length/Beam, I have no idea what the targets should be for cats or what it means for a cat to have higher or lower values in these ratios. I would guess the direction is the same as for a monohull but the absolute values must be very different.
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Too flimsy. No more to say!
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Is this a general FP observation or reserved for the Athena and Antigua?
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In any case nothing one-off from a small boatyard. Nothing from Oz either.

Only things from big, well established boatyards with good run - Leopards, FP, Lagoon, Catana, etc..

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Seems like you have a good list. I'm doing exactly the same thing with a slightly higher budget ($200-$250k). After looking around (a lot) I'd say that you should look for an older boat <2002 and make a couple of visits to Florida where there seem to be most of them for sale. You can make the decision yourself by actually going on-board. The condition and equipment present on the boat will be as important as the brand at both of our price points. You will find some terrific deals on one-offs that are well-built (or not!) as the re-sale market for these boats is almost non-existent. Just get a great survey!
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Old 14-12-2009, 17:16   #25
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In any case nothing one-off from a small boatyard. Nothing from Oz either.

Only things from big, well established boatyards with good run - Leopards, FP, Lagoon, Catana, etc..

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Can you help me understand your reasoning for this? That's quite a general statement. Especially anything coming out of Oz........i2f
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In any case nothing one-off from a small boatyard. Nothing from Oz either.

Only things from big, well established boatyards with good run - Leopards, FP, Lagoon, Catana, etc..

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Yep - those aussies wouldn't have a clue really.

What are you saying - that no boat made in australia is any good?
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Apologies from barnie (that's me) to all concerned.

Explanation: judging from the two samples I have seen up close and personal, I would not recommend an OZ built catamaran, unless it was built in a well established boatyard with good run.

My concern with those two boats were:
- bad choice of materials throughout the design,
- poor quality materials,
- design flaws (or building flaws - more likely).

I understand the problems was with the builders not with the designs (but I may be wrong).

If in Australia there is a cat builder that turns out cruising cats by numbers (like say Lagoon or FP in the EU) then I believe they will be equally good.

I want to make it very clear that,(aside from disliking those two very famous and very poorly built cruising catamarans built in Australia), I love Australia, I was welcomed there, I felt good there and I hope to go back there again one day for more. Perhaps even buy a boat.

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Bit of a broad brush but I thinkI get what you are trying to say. There are no serious production cruising cats coming out of OZ that can compete with the volume of FP, or Lagoon. Can anyone comment on desireable ratios for a crusing cat for offshore work? There are for instance ideal ranges for things like SA/Disp for monohulls intended for offhore. I have not yet found this type of anaylis on cats. I have ordered and am awaiting the two books reccommended earlier in this thread. I have also spent some time reading:

http://www.liveantares.com/pdf/BridgedeckClearance.pdf


Which is a good piece on bridgedeck clearance. I only wish the author would have named names on these cats.

One of my concerns is that my budget may not be what it needs to be to afford a cat that meets my family's needs. Also of concern is the dockage and yard bills associated with the first 5 years of ownership while we are still in Annapolis preparing for cruising. I need to do my homework and call some yards and marinas to gain a better understanding of these costs as they relate to a cat. I have done this anaylsis for the 45-47' monohulls that we are looking at.

Thanks to all who have and are replying. I am getting the feeling that few here seem to have anything bad to say about the production models I started the thread with. This surprises me. I know if I put the same question to monohulls and listed hunter, catalina, macgreggor, and beneteau, hylas, wauquiez, jenneau. I would get a expect a very different set of responses.

Other reccomended reading on crusing cat design?
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Which is a good piece on bridgedeck clearance. I only wish the author would have named names on these cats.
The cat at the top of page 2 (BCR=8) is a FP 43' Belize.
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I would recommend reading:

"Catamarans: The Complete Guide for Cruising Sailors" by Gregor Tarjan
He biased towards Outremer so keep that in mind
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