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Old 23-03-2014, 08:08   #76
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I have sailed 15000Nm, 16 months, on a L450 and never had to do that. Also, within 30 seconds you can fold the Bimini down and then lower the boom to the deck. I guess somebody wanted to show off. I can easily reach the aft of the boom from the cockpit roof and deal with the reefing lines, should they tangle, without lowering the boom. I can do it while sailing under main. I am only 5'8".
I had no idea that you could "lower the boom" on a 440/450...
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Old 23-03-2014, 09:30   #77
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Reading all of this is so satisfying, thank you folks! (Says the guy with a center cockpit trimaran, soon to have its hard dodger and Bimini installed). 360 degree vision, low center of gravity, mast and winches all in the same cockpit..... life is good.
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Old 23-03-2014, 10:33   #78
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To the guy with a center cockpit (approx 28-30 ft boat cruising living area size...) trimaran...
you are right!
Jim Brown Searunner Tri's are great, proven, bluewater sailors that are relatively inexpensive to buy.

You are fortunate! Life is Good

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Old 23-03-2014, 14:16   #79
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Jostalli... thank you for the videos... In the first video.. they show a really nice clear "wind shield" that they have coming down from the soft bimini to the helm... I would think that would completely solve the solution of too much 'weather' up there...
Ask the skipper of any 2 helm trawler which helm (FB or pilothouse) they use 90+% of the time on offshore passages.
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Old 23-03-2014, 16:35   #80
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Ask the skipper of any 2 helm trawler which helm (FB or pilothouse) they use 90+% of the time on offshore passages.

Yes, but the trawler would roll a tad more than the catamaran in a swell?


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Yes, but the trawler would roll a tad more than the catamaran in a swell?


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The ones I know have stabilizers....
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The ones I know have stabilizers....

Ever been in a decent size swell with stabilizers?


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Yep! Several times. I'll take my cat!
I agree
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Old 23-03-2014, 18:58   #85
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I had the chance on the weekend to have a look around the Lagoon 52 at a little boat show here in Sydney (Pittwater Sailing Expo) as it's the first L52 in the country. And with this thread fresh in my mind I went up and down to the helm position several times just to, well, experience it, and be as open minded as I could as I went through the sail handling and management scenarios. I was with a young couple who were on a 2 year cruise across the Pacific & who have had some challenging sailing at times. So we sort of discussed our impressions of how it would work for blue water conditions.

Look, it's an impressive boat, and would I love to spend some quality down time chartering it in a nice tranquil area like the Whitsunday's, sipping drinks and gazing down on all and sundry from on high at the opulent helm? Absolutely!

We collectively agreed however that taking it across oceans long term would present some challenges. I'm sure people do that. But how that mainsail would be tamed in a serious squall eludes me for now, or even how you would get to it on a (very) windy, wet, pitching boat, oh.... & in the dark?

Could any owners describe how you get to the dowsed main and how you physically contain it?
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So this raises the question. When are Lagoon going to come out with a version with a third story.
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Oh yeah! When are going to get a REAL condomaran, like with an elevator to get from the engine room to the crows nest suite?
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Reading all of this is so satisfying, thank you folks! (Says the guy with a center cockpit trimaran, soon to have its hard dodger and Bimini installed). 360 degree vision, low center of gravity, mast and winches all in the same cockpit..... life is good.
+1 Roy, but I'm quite happy with my soft bimini/dodger.
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