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Old 31-03-2016, 12:47   #1021
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Re: GUNBOAT Dismasting

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What winches are you talking about? I only see one....but after looking at other pictures I cannot find any other winch on the boat, neither outside or inside. Maybe it had another on the mast...but it was that boat sailed with only one or two winches?


Look again, at the helm station.


Still I don't believe a fool trying to disconnect a hacht frame probably not worth a dime and with a flooded hull and leave in place a expensive electric lewmar winche ..... my 2 cents.
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Old 31-03-2016, 12:56   #1022
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Look again, at the helm station.
Well, I can only see one.
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Old 31-03-2016, 14:15   #1023
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No and no. I never pointed a finger to anybody for looting it... you just did that.
No, I simply asked for a clarification. (I'm pretty sure you knew that, but you really can't help yourself from constantly sniping at people, can you?)

You suggested the boat wasn't at sea when it was stripped. I was wondering who else had the opportunity to strip it ashore?
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Old 31-03-2016, 14:17   #1024
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The hatches appear to be flush hatches, if the glass (Perspex) was broken out, any remaining frame might be quite difficult to see in the photo's.


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Old 31-03-2016, 16:50   #1025
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What winches are you talking about? I only see one....but after looking at other pictures I cannot find any other winch on the boat, neither outside or inside. Maybe it had another on the mast...but it was that boat sailed with only one or two winches?
Really? I count 3 (might be 2 with the skewed angle of the pics)
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Old 31-03-2016, 18:42   #1026
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Really? I count 3 (might be 2 with the skewed angle of the pics)
It seems it has two. I was just asking. Even two seems oddly few to me and all those lines lead there should add a lot of friction specially the ones that come from the back of the boat (genoa, Geenaker, code sails)
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It seems it has two. I was just asking. Even two seems oddly few to me and all those lines lead there should add a lot of friction specially the ones that come from the back of the boat (genoa, Geenaker, code sails)
Good grief! Two winches, twelve lines??? two kinda small bins for the tails?? And that includes t he main sheet and the genoa sheets??

In a vessel that may urgently require dumping the sheets to avoid the dread capsize, that looks very ungainly to me, with manifold opportunities for snarls and hockles and other things that impede rapid easing of a loaded line.

Have I missed something?

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Good grief! Two winches, twelve lines??? two kinda small bins for the tails?? And that includes t he main sheet and the genoa sheets??

In a vessel that may urgently require dumping the sheets to avoid the dread capsize, that looks very ungainly to me, with manifold opportunities for snarls and hockles and other things that impede rapid easing of a loaded line.

Have I missed something?

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And they don't have no winch on the mast either (they reef with those winches) and they don't wave also no wich dedicated to the main on the back of the boat. Well not having a traveller helps with that but I always heard that a big traveller was more important in a cat than in a mono, as a way to depower the main on gusts.

The Rapier 550, a much less expensive boat follows the same centralization near an inside station but it has three winches inside and two outside for a big traveller?. 5 winches versus 2 winches.



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Was intended as a capable world cruiser for a single couple, two people only need two winches.
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Was intended as a capable world cruiser for a single couple, two people only need two winches.
I don't follow your logic. I sail mostly solo and I have 6 winches. If I had only two I would have to be continuing changing lines on the winches for any adjustment I would be making on the sails.
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Ain't no main sheet. That's on a hydrolic ram
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Old 31-03-2016, 23:30   #1032
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Back to the topic. What do you think should be done in that situation? They should know that they can't start the engines with all the rigging in the water. I guess they should just wait for better conditions, pumping any water from the hulls, if any.
Or someone brave enough (with safety harness on) should come outside and try to cut/disconnect any remaining rigging. Once everything disconnected, watch it to go away (better - in the daytime), start the engines and go home. It wasn't mayday situation at all. Am I right?
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Back to the topic. What do you think should be done in that situation? They should know that they can't start the engines with all the rigging in the water. I guess they should just wait for better conditions, pumping any water from the hulls, if any.
Or someone brave enough (with safety harness on) should come outside and try to cut/disconnect any remaining rigging. Once everything disconnected, watch it to go away (better - in the daytime), start the engines and go home. It wasn't mayday situation at all. Am I right?
Honestly i dont see any problem with the boat apart from a lame crew and a faulty rig, include the winches station,, that rig to sporty for my taste ,,, the hulls are wonderful and they probe something ,, they float after who know how many lows and gales,,
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I sail mostly solo
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