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Old 04-11-2014, 13:02   #1
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Gemini Manta 4x concept model

Any one have pictures of the Gemini Manta 4x concept model.

They mention it in this video and on there Facebook page.



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Re: Gemini Manta 4x concept model

That video is really sexist. HE wants performance. SHE wants the kids to be safe. It's sexist both ways! Never mind the Gemini 35 is a tiny 35 and the engine access is abysmal.

I did notice they mentioned the new Manta, though, and wonder when details will appear.


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Re: Gemini Manta 4x concept model

I don't have the bandwidth for video, so I don't know exactly what was said in it. However, I do know a bit about the old Manta company.

Gemini wanted to buy the Manta molds. However, the sailcat molds were in unusable shape and couldn't be salvaged. Gemini did buy the powercat molds with plans to turn it into a sailboat. I don't believe they have any rights to the Manta name, but could probably get away with calling it a Gemini "Manta" - similar to "Legacy" or any other model name. Even that might be a stickler since there is already a sailcat concept design out there called a Manta, and those guys actually have rights to the name: Manta 46 — The next generation design | MULTIHULLS Magazine

The Manta powercat was specifically designed from the ground up as a powercat - it was a completely new design and tooling, and not just a modified sailcat. It has a canoe bottom with a tunnel and more prismatic than a sailing cat would ever want to have - it certainly was not made to tack!. They would need to completely redesign and retool the hulls to be any good as a sailboat, as well as re-engineer some of the loading and stress areas. The rest of the tooling (deck, cockpit and interior) would probably work out quite well for a sailboat, although it may be heavier than needed.

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That video is really sexist. HE wants performance. SHE wants the kids to be safe. It's sexist both ways! Never mind the Gemini 35 is a tiny 35 and the engine access is abysmal.

I did notice they mentioned the new Manta, though, and wonder when details will appear.


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It may be sexist but I'll bet you better than 95% of couples follow this pattern and marketing could care less about being PC, they care about selling boats.

Compared to a typical 35' mono, it is far from tiny.

I will agree the new twin engine setup is meeting an expectation without being a better option.

That said, the style of the video was just plain annoying.
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Re: Gemini Manta 4x concept model

Here is a snap shot of it from the video.
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Re: Gemini Manta 4x concept model

Yes, I see they have spent a lot of time on the redesign…

Not sure what to make of that "concept", but hope these aren't the types of drawings they are using to drum up initial clients.

Even if this is just supposed to be a cute thing, why would a sailboat company draw such poor sails and rigs, and even draw them in seemingly impossible relations to each other????

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Re: Gemini Manta 4x concept model

On There Facebook page they say they were showing pictures of it at the boat show">Annapolis boat show. Was hoping some one here may have snapped a few photos of it to share with us.
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We were looking at this boat at the Miami boat show. Any reasons for the change in companies. There was a waiting list for them.

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Re: Gemini Manta 4x concept model

That was a horrible video.
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Any reasons for the change in companies.
Price. Catalina beat out Hunter in the race to the bottom.

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Compared to a typical 35' mono, it is far from tiny.

I will agree the new twin engine setup is meeting an expectation without being a better option.

The Legacy is tiny. Next time your at a boat show, board it then go straight to the Jeanneauu 349 and the Benetau Oceanis 35 and see for yourself. Yes, the Legacy has a bit more cockpit and interior volume but not by much. Now compare the monos I mention with the Legacy's almost non existent bridegdeck clearance and restricted engine access and the gap is even less.
I don't see their new model being successful as it's priced itself out of the market. (US $230k to $250k sail away). Would get more boat for that money in a mono (Oceanis 38' Jeanneau 379 ) or a five year old FP Mahe.
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