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Old 03-12-2014, 17:54   #16
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I will let you take the chances as it seems you're sure it would be fine for crossing oceans:-). Let's face it, the French would and could sail a bath tub across the Atlantic but does that mean the bathtub is an ocean going vessel?


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Its not that I think it would be fine....... it along with MANY small Cats of the British designers have done it a lot.

Im not a lover of the big voyages myself. Ive done UK New York on cruise liners and didnt like that much either......... Ive sailed UK to Spain myself on a 39 footer., it was fun but Biscay was not... It would not have been fun in anything..

Most good quality vessels are capable of more than we think only it is us that get stressed quicker than the vessel.

There is a difference between a Rolls Royce and a mini...... but both will get you there...
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Its not that I think it would be fine....... it along with MANY small Cats of the British designers have done it a lot.



Im not a lover of the big voyages myself. Ive done UK New York on cruise liners and didnt like that much either......... Ive sailed UK to Spain myself on a 39 footer., it was fun but Biscay was not... It would not have been fun in anything..



Most good quality vessels are capable of more than we think only it is us that get stressed quicker than the vessel.



There is a difference between a Rolls Royce and a mini...... but both will get you there...

Have you been on or sailed on a Gemini? In my opinion the Gemini is a much faster cat than the older British designs but not as well built or seaworthy. We have owned three older British cats and a Gemini and for coastal cruising I may pick the Gemini, for crossing oceans no doubt the older British cats.


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Have you been on or sailed on a Gemini? In my opinion the Gemini is a much faster cat than the older British designs but not as well built or seaworthy. We have owned three older British cats and a Gemini and for coastal cruising I may pick the Gemini, for crossing oceans no doubt the older British cats.


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Yes. I have sailed Heavenly Twins and Catalacs 8 and 9 and a 10, Prout (not keen) and Gemini.

I love the H.T. Design.... Its now my favourite.

I like the Gemini all round. I have been a member of the yahoo group for a while and picked up on all the mods to do to stiffen it a bit. My buddy in Mallorca has just bought one and I will be going out there early next year and play with it.
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Its not a vessel I would regularly like to cross oceans with. However, set up right, good crew, it will be fine. Its reassuring to know it CAN do it.
I have a lot of respect for the Gemini, but can you just imagine the wave slap on that low bridge clearance? Yikes!
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I have a lot of respect for the Gemini, but can you just imagine the wave slap on that low bridge clearance? Yikes!
Its not a slap ... and I was just in Charlotte Harbour in Florida.
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Its not a slap ... and I was just in Charlotte Harbour in Florida.
You ARE a dare devil... that is rough water.

I anchored near the mouth of that bay last year. Slept like a baby, no rolling at all.
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You ARE a dare devil... that is rough water.

I anchored near the mouth of that bay last year. Slept like a baby, no rolling at all.
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I sailed it for a year with gentle water.. Then I saw the other side...... its a shallow bay.. when the wind hits its....... nasty..... I lived near there so sailed it for 7 years and out into the Gulf 200 miles fishing..... It can be trouble.
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I have a lot of respect for the Gemini, but can you just imagine the wave slap on that low bridge clearance? Yikes!

Slap is a kind word. It knocked my beer of the table at anchor in a 15 knot wind:-(!


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Slap is a kind word. It knocked my beer of the table at anchor in a 15 knot wind:-(!


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Yeah.. I used to drink beer like that once.........
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I sailed it for a year with gentle water.. Then I saw the other side...... its a shallow bay.. when the wind hits its....... nasty..... I lived near there so sailed it for 7 years and out into the Gulf 200 miles fishing..... It can be trouble.

Your right about that! Our friends pulled into Cayo Costs last night on their 8m Catalac. Now that's a rugged boat.


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Yes. I have sailed Heavenly Twins and Catalacs 8 and 9 and a 10, Prout (not keen) and Gemini.



I love the H.T. Design.... Its now my favourite.



I like the Gemini all round. I have been a member of the yahoo group for a while and picked up on all the mods to do to stiffen it a bit. My buddy in Mallorca has just bought one and I will be going out there early next year and play with it.


I really like the HT as well. Such a secure feeling boat, just wish it was a bit faster but at 26' what can you expect!


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I really like the HT as well. Such a secure feeling boat, just wish it was a bit faster but at 26' what can you expect!


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Really nice looking HT, but wouldn't that be about as far away from the 40' cat that could average 15kts as you could get :-)


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I have a lot of respect for the Gemini, but can you just imagine the wave slap on that low bridge clearance? Yikes!
The bridge deck is only an issue in specific conditions.

If you are going to beat close hauled into short steep 3-4'ers for days on end, I would agree but that would be a very unusual crossing. (and uncomfortable on any 30some foot boat)

Once the waves get larger and/or spread out into more of a swell, the boat just rides over them and the slap issue largely goes away.

If you can get the wind behind the beam, she almost never slaps.

Where we've found the slap to be an issue is coastal cruising when you are in confined waters and can't bear off (think of a crossing a bay on the ICW where the channel is of limited width). Of course in coastal cruising, we can typically check the forecast and pick a better day but once in a while you get caught.

It's not built like a tank as some of the old UK designs are but assuming you start with a boat in good condition, I would expect to give up before the boat does.
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Really nice looking HT, but wouldn't that be about as far away from the 40' cat that could average 15kts as you could get :-)


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But I can afford this one..........
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