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Old 20-04-2017, 04:51   #16
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Saona 47 Length over all
13.94 m / 46 ft
FP say 45 feet 8 inches. They probably should know
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FP say 45 feet 8 inches. They probably should know


They certainly do in meters. 13.94m makes 4 or 5 inches less than 46ft
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Wow, Brian, I think we're growing old together on these forums!

I still have a copy of the fishing cat sketch you posted. I think I owned an F-31 then, and lusted over a cat from which I could fish. Things come full circle...
And speaking of fishing off a sailing vessel I intend to work on an alternative vessel design for Jimmy Buffett to go fishing with. Here is what he got sold on presently, and I think it has a LOT of question marks, PARTICULARLY the draft.
Jimmy Buffett just bought a New Sail/Gamefishing Boat,

So I am imagining a 39-42 foot sailing catamaran design that can fish those shallows he likes to visit, and concurrently offer that comfortable 'weekender' style for he and his wife, and occasional friends

I'm looking back thru a number of older cat designs, and some of the newer ones for pros & cons to consider incorporating. My biggest problem right now is just getting motivated? ....(age or something in the way?)

BTW, the original inspiration for my desire to design a 'fishing under sail' vessel is in the archive section of my website, Lock Crowther was a big influence:
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Old 20-04-2017, 12:02   #19
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Re: FP's new 47 Saona catamaran

Moorings (Tortolla) has a lot of cats with the elevator dinghy rack which also serves as a variable height deck, including in the water.

They would know about maintenance issues
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That link above got screwed up somehow? It should have lead you to this article....
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Moorings (Tortolla) has a lot of cats with the elevator dinghy rack which also serves as a variable height deck, including in the water.
They would know about maintenance issues
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FP say 45 feet 8 inches. They probably should know
So based on FP conventions for naming boats I am now calling my Seawind 1160 the new "40 Seawind Lite"
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Always round up not down.
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Always round up not down.

But at what point does it become deceptive?


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Old 20-04-2017, 15:29   #25
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Nothing new here. Wasn't SEAWIND drawing small pillows on the beds on their layout diagrams to make the beds seem bigger?.If so is this deceptive?

As for the lack of a forward catwalk and access to the anchor, its simply not necessary. Who in their right mind is going to leave the comfort of the Air Conditioning (not a luxury mind you, a necessity) to walk all the way up there? Really?
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Re: FP's new 47 Saona catamaran

What amazes me is that they have presold so many boats based on renderings and and an animated video.
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What amazes me is that they have presold so many boats based on renderings and and an animated video.
Not "AMAZING", its all about selling a dream.

The reality of "WTX have we done" comes later when your trying to untangle the anchor from an old abandoned mooring tackle and beat off a lee shore whilst trying to repair four aircondioners to keep the Mrs happy .

Sorry I forgot, the protocol these days is to set off the EPIRB and let the insurance company sort it out .
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Old 21-04-2017, 00:33   #28
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Here is a video walkthrough of the Saona 47 at La Grande Motte.



"I'm curious how much sundeck lounging is necessary. Is there anyone available to comment on how much they use their sundeck area?"

There are many awnings that attach to hard points on the bow and then lifted with a halyard. I see them a lot in the Caribbean as it greatly increases the shaded areal for recreation. You still have the roof deck for sunbathing. These days, people do yoga, TRX, and all kinds of things on their boats. More surface area is kind of the point with cats.

More importantly for me, for bluewater cruising, I find that having different zones where people can truly get some privacy is actually very good for morale.

"I wonder how much that bridgedeck design is going to slam."

The design rides higher than the Helia but does have the canted walls of the Saba. Slapping is probably pretty predictable since it so closely resembles existing designs. My understanding is that it's not really an issue. More than the Bali or Lagoon, but those have SO much more windage.

The only truly new part of this boat is the davits. The redundancies with the Helia and Saba will make this boat refined from day 1, but that davits (while wonderful) makes me nervous. Ropes and pulleys can easily be fixed anywhere in the world... and they really don't go in the water. This thing is designed to submerge the mechanism. Or what happens if it rams the dock? Will the gears jam easily? This is my dream boat right now, but I'm curious to see that davits in action over the next few years.
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Re: FP's new 47 Saona catamaran

Damn comfortable looking boat for only 47 feet
...a lot of boat in 47'
Thanks for that walkthru

Now lets see, if I could get rid of the boom, and have all my sails roller furl...

As for sun bathing areas, you have to realize there are still many young people who relish it, particularly in the MED in summers. So you need to provide it.
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In-boom furling has come such a long way. For short-handed sailing, the safety of reefing almost unlimited points from the protected helm... well that alone is huge. And can you put a price tag on not sending the Mrs. to fix the snagged batten on the lazy jack?

Sailors who want to squeeze every last half knot out of sail shape will never accept them, but for boats like this that were designed to cruise at 8kts, it's not about being the fastest. Safety and convenience get my yes vote for in-boom furling on this boat.
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