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Old 08-02-2013, 18:08   #16
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Earlier today my wife and I looked at the PDQ 32LRC mentioned above and a Victory 35 also listed by the same brokerage. We are just starting our search and at this stage looking at the different designs available in our price range. Our primary goal today was to get an idea of the space available and the layout.

The Victory 35 was very well laid out and seemed spacious. There were adequate storage areas and access to equipment was good. The boat appeared to be in good shape, updated, and cruise enabled. The only visable problem was the sagging headliner throughout a majority of the boat which can be seen in the listing pictures linked above.

The PDQ was on the hard undergoing a repair to the shaft and/or bearing. I uploaded a photo below. My wife liked the galley down design as well as the enormous amount of space in the settee when the table was dropped for bunkage. Our only concern was the headroom, even with the companion way hatch slid open access to the setee and/or either hull was still restricted. This particular listing, although equipped with a hard bimini, had no enclosure or dodger negating the companion way use during inclement weather.

As I stated above, we are just getting an idea of the size and lay-outs available in our price range and will narrow it down when we get closer to a decision. We both preferred the Victory overall, but these two models will probably be on the short list.
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Just a couple of observations. The Victory will pound badly and be pretty slow. I like the PDQ 32' but see absolutely no reason to have diesels in them. This boat was designed for outboards and in my opinion the diesels retract from the overall design of the boat. Of course these are just my opinions.
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I like the PDQ 36 with outboards.
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"Just a couple of observations. The Victory will pound badly and be pretty slow. I like the PDQ 32' but see absolutely no reason to have diesels in them. This boat was designed for outboards and in my opinion the diesels retract from the overall design of the boat. Of course these are just my opinions."

smj, I agree with your observations.
I am making arrangements to look at another PDQ 32 next week, an Altair model with twin outboards.
I feel either option has its pros and cons. Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I can gather, Gas 4 strokes would be easier to maintain and cheaper to repair or replace, but a more volatile fuel. Whereas, Diesels would be more reliable, less volatile, but more expensive to repair or replace.

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"Just a couple of observations. The Victory will pound badly and be pretty slow. I like the PDQ 32' but see absolutely no reason to have diesels in them. This boat was designed for outboards and in my opinion the diesels retract from the overall design of the boat. Of course these are just my opinions."

smj, I agree with your observations.
I am making arrangements to look at another PDQ 32 next week, an Altair model with twin outboards.
I feel either option has its pros and cons. Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I can gather, Gas 4 strokes would be easier to maintain and cheaper to repair or replace, but a more volatile fuel. Whereas, Diesels would be more reliable, less volatile, but more expensive to repair or replace.

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Correct. Gas outboards are I like sailing a giant fire cracker. You will never know when the fireworks will begin.
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So two electric outboards and be done with it.
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So two electric outboards and be done with it.
Two Torqeedo outboards and a diesel generator and you have me with you on that.
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Two Torqeedo outboards and a diesel generator and you have me with you on that.
Make it a light weight DC diesel generator and a 48 volt inverter to be used on the propulsion/housebank of LiFePO4 cells and you have me on that too.
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Make it a light weight DC diesel generator and a 48 volt inverter to be used on the propulsion/housebank of LiFePO4 cells and you have me on that too.
OK, I can see it. What would you propose?
48 volt generator?
48 volt inverter?
LifePO4, got it. Have been following your lead on that
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OK, I can see it. What would you propose?
48 volt generator?
48 volt inverter?
LifePO4, got it. Have been following your lead on that
It is just that we are getting some new technology mixed with the old, that will offer some new comforts on the hook. Since having an inverter, an AC diesel gen set isn't needed and for a 8KW gen set, it is around a 200 lb savings to just have DC output that you can run at any rpm desired, instead of 1800 or 3600 for 60 cycle or 1500 or 3000 for 50 hz. A DC gen set of 8 KW output is 290 lbs.

The 48 volt inverter when plugged in will charge the batteries at 54 amps at 60 volts, plus output 4400 watts on the AC side. Finally a chance to drop the propane and have an all electric galley.

And you already know LiFePO4 don't sag under big loads and don't derate on heavy loads.
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Old 09-02-2013, 06:33   #25
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Correct. Gas outboards are I like sailing a giant fire cracker. You will never know when the fireworks will begin.
That statement is absolutely crazy. 99.9% of the boats in the world are gasoline powered outboards and how often do you hear of them blowing up? Also most of these outboard run boats are run by weekend warriors that know nothing of safety. You will get better fuel mileage out of a diesel but will lose sailing efficiency. Extra weight, prop always in the water and most times with saildrives a chunk of aluminum submersed full time......now to me that's crazy
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Apparently these people have a diesel or electric powered dinghy as well
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Apparently these people have a diesel or electric powered dinghy as well
I'm sure they probably have a gas powered outboard on their dinghy but probably figure they're safe because they only carry 6 gallons of gas.
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I'm sure they probably have a gas powered outboard on their dinghy but probably figure they're safe because they only carry 6 gallons of gas.
Sorry. That was out of line for me to say.
I am with you guys.

I personally do not care for gassers.

I do have a gas dingy with 3 gallons of gas which stays in the dink all the time up on the davits.
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Sorry. That was out of line for me to say.
I am with you guys.

I personally do not care for gassers.

I do have a gas dingy with 3 gallons of gas which stays in the dink all the time up on the davits.
Not out of line at all. We all have our own opinions and in this case probably no right or wrong.
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