Spent a day in LGM looking at mass production cats, with an eye for blue water
cruising, size between 40 and 45ft. Am greenest, so was looking for real life apart from what I have learned reading through you guys (and gals) experience: and by the way, thanks for all your generally shared wisdom.
The following are random notes:
42: being very successful (they are already at hull
120 we were told) it was the first we approached. Balsa core
, Weight: 12 Tons, Sails
: 90 Sq. Mt, ratio: 7.5. Led lighting
. Aluminum mast
. Shows a little bit shorter than 42, but maybe it was my impression. Well done, with good details, lots of thought given to try to create a smooth flow from inside to outside. We found the inside a bit on the smallish side overall.
Bonus: we managed to track down Lagoon’s head
, Alexander Dauberville and sat down with him. He explained the reasoning of Lagoon’s recommendation of NOT sailing downwind without the mainsail
in use, subject of another thread. More on that later.
After that, we moved onto Bavaria-Nautitech stand. First we checked the 40: Weight: 8.5 Tons, Sails
: 91 Sq. Mt, ratio: 10.7. The inside was simple and functional, all led lighting
, construction in PVC sandwich. We were told they have fully glassed in bulkheads (unlike other competitors starting with L), overall we found it an excellent boat, attention to detail was evident.
Then we moved onto the brand new 46: Weight 11 Tons, Sails 110 Sq Mt, ratio 10. Much more room, well thought out overall inside, the biggest access to engines’ compartment that we have seen among the boats (good if you gotta work down there). At some point we were shooed off the boat cos they needed to shoot the promotional video.
Next up, Leopard 40
and 44. Leopard 40
(newest design): weight 10.5 Tons, Sails:95.5 Sq Mt, ratio 9.1. Aluminum mast
, balsa core
, apparently glassed in Bulkheads, all Led lighting, lots of room inside for being a 40 footer.
44 (2012 design): weight 12.6 Tons, Sails: 123 Sq. Mt, ratio 9.84, excellent boat overall, maybe not as flashy as some other ones, but a solid feel overall.
The sales guys told us that there was great demand for the 40, while the 44 was lagging a little bit and had some room to accept new orders, and that’s why the price
of the 44 was barely higher than the 40 (it was 399k euros with installed options. You probably need another 100k to prep it for blue water
cruising, just my two cents).
Bali (Catana): yep, we visited those as well. Enough has been said in the other threads so won’t dwell on it, just a couple of details: craftsmanship looked poor, not suitable for blue water cruising and the weight ratio is just bad. The Bali 43 weights in unloaded at 11.3 Tons with 90 Sq Mt sailage, ratio 7.95. The Bali 45 weights 16.4 Tons unloaded (yep, sixteen, not a typo) with Sails of about 121 Sq Mt, ratio 7.3. I mean, buy a powerboat already and skip the sails directly! By the way, the Nanni diesels are being replaced by Volvo
engines on the new models.
O’Yachts: visited them as well, they’ll build the boat on your specs, with focus on performance.
Last, we visited the FPs. They had no Helia 44 on show, only the Lucia 40. Weight 8.9 Tons, Sails: 95 Sq. Mt, ratio 10.06. Not as wide as the Lagoon
, about 40cms shorter (width), boat seemed ok but not very exciting. Claim is that they wanna do boats which have a good compromise between comfort and performance. Personally, I would have liked to see the 44 for a better feel.
Our conclusions were that, would you have forced me to buy a cat right there, value for money
, the Leopard
44 was tough to beat. The impression was that you couldn’t go very wrong in cruising with such a boat. Going up 100-150k, I’d probably be interested in the Nautitech 46.
Last but not least, here’s Lagoon’s explanation of why they do not recommend sailing downwind with any mainsail
up. This has to do with the fact that the center of the wind
force is too forward of the mast if you go only with the spinnaker
, and if conditions align (wind spike) and the boat pitches down the mast might come down. He recognizes there’s no real history
of this happening, even if people commonly use only the forward sail and no mainsail, but he stresses that the risk exists (he says he repeats it often) and that’s why Lagoon doesn’t recommend it. At the very least he says, have the mainsail triple-reefed up, to be able to keep the tension of the mast back (given the absence of the backstays
like monohulls have).
Hope it’s helpful,