Fast Tri - advice required

[nalinjay1974]

Hi

I live in Hong Kong and I'm looking for a fast Tri which is ideally demountable i. e. it can be put in a container and shipped over here.

I'm looking for something with good performance and that ideally has a minimum of 4 berths and a separate head.

I don't have a background with Tris but options I'm considering include a 40' Condor, 40' Antrim, Dragonfly 32 and a 36' Newick (not demountable but already here in HK)

All great boats in their own right but I would welcome the input of members as to what they think of these options and if there is anything else I should be looking at.

Many thanks!

Jay

[FSMike]

Will the masts of those boats fit in a container?

[nalinjay1974]

Probably not but I know they can be shipped separately.

[nalinjay1974]

I think there are some 60 ft containers available which may also be an option.

Alternatively I need to find someone who fancies a very long passage to Asia!

[senormechanico]

Formula 40?

[Cavalier MK2]

I'd go for the Newick depending on the design but it is probably too small for cruising with 4 and having much payload. Daysailing with 6 yes. His boats often have the beauty of sailing sculpture and good speed. Plus you won't have the headache of shipping. It is all dependant on survey etc.... if you plan on relocating demountable gains an edge. There was a Newick Echo in that part of the world, I'm wondering if it is the boat you are looking at.

[nalinjay1974]

Thanks for the tip senor mechanico! I'll check them out.

[nalinjay1974]

Thanks Cavalier. Yes it probably is the same boat. I've been to take a look. A beautiful boat in excellent condition (full survey done a couple of months ago) with a rotating mast and newish sails. No immediate plans to relocate but you never know what might happen work wise. The Newick is very small inside though and no bimini option which out here is definitely a factor.

[Cavalier MK2]

Echos have done some good fast cruising, usually with 2-3 for crew. Small as it seems it is bigger inside than the formula 40 racers with more payload. I talked with Dick Newick about that design years ago, for him it was a good blend of space and speed. I would think a folding top for the cockpit could be achieved. His point about such things is they slow the boat down, taking several knots off the top speed.

[nalinjay1974]

That's true. She's certainly a stunning boat and really a work of art.

The Condor looks huge in comparison in terms of interior space (I've only seen photos though) and the Antrim needs a lot of work.

I think the Dragonfly would be the best compromise but she comes with a much bigger price tag.

[Cavalier MK2]

My advise is to sail on some fast tris to learn what you are getting into. Maybe a demo on the Newick and find someone over there with a Dragonfly? In seas the speed and spray to windward will come as a surprise. Off wind it is much gentler. Check out you tube videos of the boats too. The French have some of cruising a Echo and there is plenty of footage of most of the others. Just remember watching isn't the same as sailing, good luck and have fun looking for your boat.

[nalinjay1974]

Thanks Cavalier. Will do!

[captain58sailin]

As far as shipping goes, I have seen yachts loaded on top of containers on ships before, and the mast could be secured on the deck of the ship. So I wouldn't be too concerned about fitting into a container.

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by nalinjay1974

SNIP

I don't have a background with Tris

SNIP

I have sailed tris a little, mostly Fboats; stuff like C24, C27 and C31. Lots of fun and loved them, but I would up getting a Seawind cat because it was much more suited to cruising.

I did have a long visit on an F36 and an interesting talk with the owner/builder. For a while it was the only boat I considered as an alternative to the Seawind and what I considered its combination of comfort and speed.

But one thing the F36 owner said stuck in my mind. The Fboat is only able to go fast with a crew who knew how to sail and a skipper who was capable.

I have no problem singlehanding my Seawind, and just finished a four day passage with a friend who lacked basic sailing skills.

Not saying tris are not a good choice for you, just that sailing a tri fast may mean you will have to get a good crew and perhaps upgrade your skill set.

[garrobito]

drangonfly 1200.. or maybe the new rapido 60 if you have "that" kind of money...