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Old 06-04-2015, 11:55   #316
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Re: Fast Cruising Catamarans - How Fast ?

The average speed of the passage was 8.5 k. That included a dew days of 220 and 230 mile runs. Also days of creeping along at 5-6. One day of motoring at 6.5 k using one engine. With winds at a close to broad reach at 20-25 it was easy to hit low to mid teens. Two on board, relatively light cruising stores.


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Old 06-04-2015, 16:05   #317
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Found this thread tonight when I was following some leads to photos of Crowther's gamefishing cat Tigre.

Couldn't pass up emphasizing this posting,...it is so true.
excellent! that are pretty much my conclusions after lengthy research.

So, i bought smallest boat that does what I want and cut down equipment to bare minimum so I can get away with 10 hrs per week maintenance.

that saves money and increases sail time.

Let have performance cats their way in 3 m waves and extra 0.5 kn.

Flat water speeding is for lakes. Not real ocean sailing.
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Old 08-04-2015, 00:13   #318
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Re: Fast Cruising Catamarans - How Fast ?

It seems a lot of posters are looking to justify their choice as the right one. Thankfully, we're all different and there is no right answer.

I have done 13 knots on a Catana 50 on a broad reach when it was blowing about 25. It performed well below what I expected but it was a charter with ratty sails and loads of amenites. I have hit 23 knots on a monohull (J-125) racing to Hawaii, surfing down waves when it was blowing 28-30.

My new boat will be a carbon fiber cat, launching in a couple months. It will be capable of very high speeds. I went this route after chartering several different cats and finding the performance unimpressive. But I know a lot of people wouldn't trade the comfort and space for more speed and that's fine. Personally, I love going fast and with a lightweight catamaran, I can get a lot of speed and reasonable comfort. I cruised extensively on our Outbound 44 (max speed 11.5 knots downwind in 40 knots), The cat will have more space, be far more comfortable at anchor and easily sail twice as fast as the Outbound in most conditions.
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Old 08-04-2015, 08:58   #319
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My new boat will be a carbon fiber cat, launching in a couple months. It will be capable of very high speeds. I went this route after chartering several different cats and finding the performance unimpressive.
So tell us more about your new vessel,...or privately if you don't care to post it on the forum just yet?
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Old 08-04-2015, 14:07   #320
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The new boat, a Bieker 53, has been discussed elsewhere in BiekerBoats blog and on the builders site and I don't want to clutter this thread so I will post info in a separate thread.
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The new boat, a Bieker 53, has been discussed elsewhere in BiekerBoats blog and on the builders site and I don't want to clutter this thread so I will post info in a separate thread.
I like it,

Here is a link to that posting of yours
Bieker 53 - Exciting high performance cruiser
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Old 14-08-2015, 07:45   #322
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"With a leopard you can expect between 40 and 50 % of wind speed with the genoa and mainsail , using the gennaker will give you 50 to 60 % of wind speed ...."

Saw this comment in a '08 post.

Any thoughts on how these data were derived?

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"With a leopard you can expect between 40 and 50 % of wind speed with the genoa and mainsail , using the gennaker will give you 50 to 60 % of wind speed ...."

Saw this comment in a '08 post.

Any thoughts on how these data were derived?

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If it is like most sailors it would be "subjectively".
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How true!
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Old 12-12-2015, 08:31   #325
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A friend of mine just switched from a mono to a 2015 Outreamer 51 cat and has completed his 4th long voyage. He is averaging 200 miles a day on non Tradewinds routes in cruising mode which is my basic definition of a performance cruising cat.

This is the same mileage per day as I have sailed on dozens of voyages on my 2001 Conser 47. Of course his boat is 15 years newer and has much greater interior volume. In Tradewinds conditions these numbers go up considerably for any cat.


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Re: Fast Cruising Catamarans - How Fast ?

200m a day sounds about right for a good tradewind passage, or favourable winds. I wouldn't expect that on a regular basis though, when you include less favourable conditions. Our 'non performance' cat averaged 140m/day Atlantic crossing with the fastest day around 170m and slowest around 80m (we were hove to half the day) I guess you could check the ARC results for some typical tradewind passage data. Shorter passages the average speed often increases as we are enjoying sailing and less concerned with crew and boat fatigue (ie, overnight on passage we often drop the spinnaker and putt along under jib for a good nights rest) that mightn't be necessary with more experienced crew on board. I noticed a catana 42 just crossed with the Atlantic odyssey in 15 days for 3000m. Pretty nice average at 200m/day. Gordon did it last year in around 18 on his Helia averaging 170m/day, with some 200m days.
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A friend of mine just switched from a mono to a 2015 Outreamer 51 cat and has completed his 4th long voyage. He is averaging 200 miles a day on non Tradewinds routes in cruising mode....
I want his weather man.

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I we managed 18.3 at about 120 apparent with screecher in 15-20 knots of wind on our PDQ 36
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I we managed 18.3 at about 120 apparent with screecher in 15-20 knots of wind on our PDQ 36
well, this one is suburban legend. If above true, your boat is pushed to 18 kn speed with 3kn apparent wind.
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I we managed 18.3 at about 120 apparent with screecher in 15-20 knots of wind on our PDQ 36
And how big was the wave?

I took a stroll on the moon last night just holding my breath.

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