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Old 23-02-2011, 13:15   #211
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Re: Fast Cruising Catamarans - How Fast ?

With the right tiller nut (Cam Lewis) and a very large pile of money you can do this in a boat with a washer/dryer:



A Tornado is quicker and a small fraction of the cost but lacks a dry spot to sleep in, a shower, a pizza oven...

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Old 23-02-2011, 13:42   #212
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Thanks Tom,

I think I'll go take a shower now..WHEW!
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Thanks Tom,

I think I'll go take a shower now..WHEW!
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My last cruising boat (well, I cruised with it) was like that, on a smaller scale. Kevlar hull, speeds over 20 knots. No washer/drier.

It was a Stiletto. About 1% of the money, 45% of the water line, most of the speed... but 2 pipe racks for births and a portable toilet. But defiantly worth the money and I was thrilled to have owned her. The best part is that I'm really not realy interested in that sort of hair-ball sailing anymore; I got it safely out of my system, for a lot less money. A very inexpensive cure, considering I sold her for more than I paid.

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Old 23-02-2011, 14:41   #214
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Ive sailed Lagoon 440 from Canarias (Tenerife) to Gibraltar.
The average speed was 8,9 kn with wind 16-25 kn 140-160.
The top of speed was 17,5 kn
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I am amused. People referring to 14-18 knots as "slow".
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I must add that my fastest ocean passage was done on a Dufour 45 monohull. Average speed was just 7 knots for a canaries to Marie-galante passage. We would put the spinnaker up with the sunrise and down with the sunset too. So it took us just 15 days. And guess what an Outremer 50 did it in just a little less than 14 days ! So their average was certainly around 7.7 knots ! And we are talking of yachts over 40 feet... running downwind most of the way !

Yea.

My fastest cruise was with 20+ knots at around 135. 7.1 knots.

Usually around 6 if we have 10+ knots of wind.

We cruise by day sailing though so it was only 8hrs to get there.
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for the first 12mts or so of my getting my boat I would start the engines when the boat speed got to 6kts until a mono sailor who was on board one day showed me that it was OK to sail at slower speeds!!

Also got use to hearing boats pulling their anchors up in the dark but still enjoy watching the same boats arriving at the next stop over to find that the best spot has been selected by "that cat"
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Old 26-02-2011, 21:58   #218
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To put it all in perspective, the Gunboat 66 recently completed the Carib 600 in mostly fresh reaching conditions with averages of around 10.6 knots.

For those that followed the on-board trackers, on the reaches in 18 to 20 knots of wind, they would have noticed, it rarely got anywhere near wind speed, and when this occurred was probably during the surfs as the averages were still around half wind speed.

And all this happened with a top skipper, full crew, and all the cruising gear stripped off.

Still the gunboat looks like a very comfortable ride.
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To put it all in perspective, the Gunboat 66 recently completed the Carib 600 in mostly fresh reaching conditions with averages of around 10.6 knots.

For those that followed the on-board trackers, on the reaches in 18 to 20 knots of wind, they would have noticed, it rarely got anywhere near wind speed, and when this occurred was probably during the surfs as the averages were still around half wind speed.

And all this happened with a top skipper, full crew, and all the cruising gear stripped off.

Still the gunboat looks like a very comfortable ride.
That is interesting data. Obviously different folks will interpret the results differently. FWIW, I think they did very well. A couple of points jump out at me:

They raced with a crew of 6 which is very small comparatively.

They reported a top speed near 30 knots, they completed a nominal 605 miles in 2 days 8:56:39. The course included some loops. While the long legs were reaches there were running and beating legs as well. Their velocity made good on the course was 10.6 knots but their average speeds through the water must have been significantly higher than that.

They claim that the boat still had all of its cruising fixtures in place and only loose gear was removed for the race. It may be a bit misleading to say "all the cruising gear" was stripped off when we know that the pizza oven and a host of other heavy stuff that wouldn't be carried on a racing boat were still in place. Still, with a world class racing skipper and, apparently, fantastic insurance I think it is safe to assume they pushed a lot harder than any sane cruising couple would.

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Re: Fast Cruising Catamarans - How Fast ?

Thanks Tom for the additional details - 605 miles over 2 days and 9 hours still means over 250 miles a day towards the destination and, since it included some windward work, significantly more over the bottom! Can anyone here say that they would not be thrilled with that kind of passage-making ability?

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Thanks Tom for the additional details - 605 miles over 2 days and 9 hours still means over 250 miles a day towards the destination and, since it included some windward work, significantly more over the bottom! Can anyone here say that they would not be thrilled with that kind of passage-making ability?

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Any Cruiser would be thrilled to bits with that... but try it with all tanks full, all stores and liveaboard gear etc and watch that speed drop...
With cats... like mono's.... once they start getting loaded with the everyday bits and bobs for life on board (long term) the speed starts falling away...
As to the guys who cruises the islands at 200miles/day... man how many islands dos'nt he visit... most are only a slow mono daysail apart....
My fastest.... 18+kts in a Tiki 26... F8 and all sail up running N before a SW'ly
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Re: Fast Cruising Catamarans - How Fast ?

Boatman, I agree with you about stopping to smell the roses (or at least watching the scenery) when cruising, but of course this thread concerned the speed potential of various cruising catamarans. Would additional gear/stores reduce that performance? Of course. But if instead of a crew of 6 one was cruising with 4, using the watermaker instead of full water-tanks and, scheduling passages to take full advantage of the trades and avoid courses to windward, I suspect that these numbers would still be attainable i.e., 250 mile days.

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Sailing home my 1980 Prout 50 Quasar from Florida to Sweden (about 5000 Nm) in summer 2010 with an average of 6 knots. Top speed 13-14 kn at 25-30 knots wind at 120d and all sails set.
Worked just fine, though I have heard that the Quasar should be able to go faster (anyone knows?). Probably I'm not yet used to trim the sails the best way. Take in a reef earlier would maybe have improved a bit. With practice comes knowledge.
Now I'm as far as i know the only one in Sweden with a Quasar. Kinda fun.
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My previous boat, a Seaclipper 28, was not as fast as our current Searunner 34, in 24 hour runs, (too sphinctorial), but on a daysail she'd fly! The boat frequently did double digits, and twice I hit 19 knots (under full sail, and about 28-30 knots on a reach).

Friends on a dock nearby, said that the main hull was bouncing out of the water on occasion... I eventually ripped the genny this way, but it was fun!

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