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06-01-2018, 12:59
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Marmaris
Boat: FP Orana 2010, Hélia 2013, Catana C 47 2013, Nautitech 46 Fly 2018
Posts: 1,344
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Dufour catamaran
After Bavaria (Nauthitec), Hanse (Privilege), Benetteau (Lagoon), Jeanneau (to be announced soon), Dufour also couldn't stay out of the booming catamaran market..
https://nlyachts.com/en/used-boats/d...catamaran.html
I am told the #1 will touch water in April and she will be available for charter already in 2018 season.
Cheers
Yeloya
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06-01-2018, 13:46
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#2
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Boat: Multihulls - cats and Tris
Posts: 4,859
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Re: Dufour catamaran
No mention of a displacement figure I see. So it isnt something they want to talk about?
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06-01-2018, 15:22
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#3
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 99
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Re: Dufour catamaran
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Originally Posted by yeloya
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Would like to see it in comparison to the new Lagoon50!
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06-01-2018, 19:04
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#4
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Coffs Harbour, NSW
Boat: FreeFlow 50 cat
Posts: 1,336
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Re: Dufour catamaran
Displacement shown in video render was close to 15 ton, so a bit of a porker. But, its a charter design, so......
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06-01-2018, 21:47
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#5
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Boat: Multihulls - cats and Tris
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Re: Dufour catamaran
15 ton for 48 foot is very nearly obese
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06-01-2018, 22:46
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Boat: St Francis 48Turbo
Posts: 532
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Re: Dufour catamaran
That forward cabin on the owners version looked huge. What is it lately that makes designers think that the must-have item on a boat is a walk-in wardrobe? Maybe it's a charter thing but I just don't get it.
If I have an owner's version I want storage space for clothes, shoes, frocks (not all mine, most belong to the Mrs) and stuff... I don't want less storage and a poor excuse for a walkway to my tiny cupboards.
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06-01-2018, 23:38
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#7
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Marmaris
Boat: FP Orana 2010, Hélia 2013, Catana C 47 2013, Nautitech 46 Fly 2018
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Re: Dufour catamaran
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Originally Posted by BigBeakie
Displacement shown in video render was close to 15 ton, so a bit of a porker. But, its a charter design, so......
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Compared to L 450 which weights 16,9 tons, it's not that bad..
They might face though with more serious problems than the weight..I am told that the first couple of hulls will be 4 cabins and they would extend the line pretty fast. I really don't know how they will achieve this.. Dufour had already been bailed out couple of times by french government in the past.
Venturing in a cat business w/out a solid technical and financial resources seems to me very risky even tough the cat market is expanding very fast. That's why all the monohull manufacturers who entered this market have either acquired or merged with existing cat manufacturers.
Umberto Felci is a respected architect on monos, but I don't remember any cat that he designed, I tend to believe that this a different ball game.
Anyway, let's see now what Jeanneau will come up with..
Cheers
Yeloya
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07-01-2018, 01:07
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#8
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2016
Boat: Lagoon 440
Posts: 736
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Re: Dufour catamaran
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Originally Posted by yeloya
After Bavaria (Nauthitec), Hanse (Privilege), Benetteau (Lagoon), Jeanneau (to be announced soon), Dufour also couldn't stay out of the booming catamaran market..
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Jeanneau created Lagoon in 1984 and they both became part of groupe beneteau in 1996. Would be interesting that Beneteau creates a new cat branded Jeanneau ! As we can hardly get more comfort we may get more performance ....
Anyway, keep them coming, my L440 will soon be called a fast cat
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07-01-2018, 01:13
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: NZ
Boat: Lagoon 450
Posts: 490
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Dufour catamaran
Looks great and there are so many wonderful cats available, why would one remain mono? [emoji16]
However 20cm longer and 10cm wider than a Lagoon 450? What’s in a label? [emoji16]
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07-01-2018, 02:40
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 99
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Re: Dufour catamaran
So this new Dufour is a 48 footer or a 45 footer ?
Are they joining the current trend to cash on name figure instead of actual length ?
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07-01-2018, 05:25
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Md
Boat: 2013 FP Lipari 41
Posts: 1,296
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Re: Dufour catamaran
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Originally Posted by yeloya
After Bavaria (Nauthitec), Hanse (Privilege), Benetteau (Lagoon), Jeanneau (to be announced soon), Dufour also couldn't stay out of the booming catamaran market..
https://nlyachts.com/en/used-boats/d...catamaran.html
I am told the #1 will touch water in April and she will be available for charter already in 2018 season.
Cheers
Yeloya
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I look forward to reading your always reliable in depth review, Yeloya. I’d rather hold off critiquing until we have more info; enough people bash multihulls as it is. I noticed that the draft is minimal as compared to, say, the Leopard 48 which drafts over 5’. It may indeed have to stay in the charter business.
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Lipari 41
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07-01-2018, 06:05
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: South Florida
Posts: 67
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Re: Dufour catamaran
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Originally Posted by yeloya
Compared to L 450 which weights 16,9 tons, it's not that bad..
They might face though with more serious problems than the weight..I am told that the first couple of hulls will be 4 cabins and they would extend the line pretty fast. I really don't know how they will achieve this.. Dufour had already been bailed out couple of times by french government in the past.
Venturing in a cat business w/out a solid technical and financial resources seems to me very risky even tough the cat market is expanding very fast. That's why all the monohull manufacturers who entered this market have either acquired or merged with existing cat manufacturers.
Umberto Felci is a respected architect on monos, but I don't remember any cat that he designed, I tend to believe that this a different ball game.
Anyway, let's see now what Jeanneau will come up with..
Cheers
Yeloya
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Don't forget Dufour did introduce and build the original Nautitech line of catamarans in the mid '90s when Olivier Poncin was at the Dufour helm.
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07-01-2018, 08:44
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Oz
Posts: 1,042
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Re: Dufour catamaran
Wonder when Outremer will build or buyout a company, to make a Fly bridge 45 - 50 ft
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07-01-2018, 10:13
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#14
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2016
Boat: Lagoon 440
Posts: 736
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Re: Dufour catamaran
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Originally Posted by Bean Counter
Wonder when Outremer will build or buyout a company, to make a Fly bridge 45 - 50 ft
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In some interview I heard the boss say they will never do that. Maybe with with another brand, like catana did with bali...
@Yeloya, where did you get that 16.9 tons for the L450 ? WTF ?! you are right, I just checked the website, 16.9 tons for L450F, 14.9 tons for L450S. They both used to be about 15.5 tons. I believe the new spec is a mistake.
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07-01-2018, 10:46
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#15
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: On the boat
Boat: LAGOON 400
Posts: 2,347
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Re: Dufour catamaran
Quote:
Originally Posted by rom
In some interview I heard the boss say they will never do that. Maybe with with another brand, like catana did with bali...
@Yeloya, where did you get that 16.9 tons for the L450 ? WTF ?! you are right, I just checked the website, 16.9 tons for L450F, 14.9 tons for L450S. They both used to be about 15.5 tons. I believe the new spec is a mistake.
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one should not believe factory weights or even sail area, it is just number pulled out of air. Absolutely incorrect. For L 400 jib size in manual and brochures quoted as 28m2, but in reality is 35m2. I mean if they said 40m2 instead of 35m2 would understand but underquoting ?! Let me not even start with weight.
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