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Old 06-01-2018, 12:59   #1
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Dufour catamaran

After Bavaria (Nauthitec), Hanse (Privilege), Benetteau (Lagoon), Jeanneau (to be announced soon), Dufour also couldn't stay out of the booming catamaran market..

https://nlyachts.com/en/used-boats/d...catamaran.html

I am told the #1 will touch water in April and she will be available for charter already in 2018 season.

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No mention of a displacement figure I see. So it isnt something they want to talk about?
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After Bavaria (Nauthitec), Hanse (Privilege), Benetteau (Lagoon), Jeanneau (to be announced soon), Dufour also couldn't stay out of the booming catamaran market..

https://nlyachts.com/en/used-boats/d...catamaran.html

I am told the #1 will touch water in April and she will be available for charter already in 2018 season.

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Would like to see it in comparison to the new Lagoon50!
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Displacement shown in video render was close to 15 ton, so a bit of a porker. But, its a charter design, so......


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15 ton for 48 foot is very nearly obese
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That forward cabin on the owners version looked huge. What is it lately that makes designers think that the must-have item on a boat is a walk-in wardrobe? Maybe it's a charter thing but I just don't get it.
If I have an owner's version I want storage space for clothes, shoes, frocks (not all mine, most belong to the Mrs) and stuff... I don't want less storage and a poor excuse for a walkway to my tiny cupboards.
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Compared to L 450 which weights 16,9 tons, it's not that bad..

They might face though with more serious problems than the weight..I am told that the first couple of hulls will be 4 cabins and they would extend the line pretty fast. I really don't know how they will achieve this.. Dufour had already been bailed out couple of times by french government in the past.
Venturing in a cat business w/out a solid technical and financial resources seems to me very risky even tough the cat market is expanding very fast. That's why all the monohull manufacturers who entered this market have either acquired or merged with existing cat manufacturers.
Umberto Felci is a respected architect on monos, but I don't remember any cat that he designed, I tend to believe that this a different ball game.

Anyway, let's see now what Jeanneau will come up with..

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After Bavaria (Nauthitec), Hanse (Privilege), Benetteau (Lagoon), Jeanneau (to be announced soon), Dufour also couldn't stay out of the booming catamaran market..
Jeanneau created Lagoon in 1984 and they both became part of groupe beneteau in 1996. Would be interesting that Beneteau creates a new cat branded Jeanneau ! As we can hardly get more comfort we may get more performance ....

Anyway, keep them coming, my L440 will soon be called a fast cat
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Looks great and there are so many wonderful cats available, why would one remain mono?

However 20cm longer and 10cm wider than a Lagoon 450? What’s in a label?
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So this new Dufour is a 48 footer or a 45 footer ?
Are they joining the current trend to cash on name figure instead of actual length ?
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After Bavaria (Nauthitec), Hanse (Privilege), Benetteau (Lagoon), Jeanneau (to be announced soon), Dufour also couldn't stay out of the booming catamaran market..

https://nlyachts.com/en/used-boats/d...catamaran.html

I am told the #1 will touch water in April and she will be available for charter already in 2018 season.

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I look forward to reading your always reliable in depth review, Yeloya. I’d rather hold off critiquing until we have more info; enough people bash multihulls as it is. I noticed that the draft is minimal as compared to, say, the Leopard 48 which drafts over 5’. It may indeed have to stay in the charter business.
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Compared to L 450 which weights 16,9 tons, it's not that bad..

They might face though with more serious problems than the weight..I am told that the first couple of hulls will be 4 cabins and they would extend the line pretty fast. I really don't know how they will achieve this.. Dufour had already been bailed out couple of times by french government in the past.
Venturing in a cat business w/out a solid technical and financial resources seems to me very risky even tough the cat market is expanding very fast. That's why all the monohull manufacturers who entered this market have either acquired or merged with existing cat manufacturers.
Umberto Felci is a respected architect on monos, but I don't remember any cat that he designed, I tend to believe that this a different ball game.

Anyway, let's see now what Jeanneau will come up with..

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Don't forget Dufour did introduce and build the original Nautitech line of catamarans in the mid '90s when Olivier Poncin was at the Dufour helm.
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Wonder when Outremer will build or buyout a company, to make a Fly bridge 45 - 50 ft
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Wonder when Outremer will build or buyout a company, to make a Fly bridge 45 - 50 ft
In some interview I heard the boss say they will never do that. Maybe with with another brand, like catana did with bali...

@Yeloya, where did you get that 16.9 tons for the L450 ? WTF ?! you are right, I just checked the website, 16.9 tons for L450F, 14.9 tons for L450S. They both used to be about 15.5 tons. I believe the new spec is a mistake.
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In some interview I heard the boss say they will never do that. Maybe with with another brand, like catana did with bali...

@Yeloya, where did you get that 16.9 tons for the L450 ? WTF ?! you are right, I just checked the website, 16.9 tons for L450F, 14.9 tons for L450S. They both used to be about 15.5 tons. I believe the new spec is a mistake.
one should not believe factory weights or even sail area, it is just number pulled out of air. Absolutely incorrect. For L 400 jib size in manual and brochures quoted as 28m2, but in reality is 35m2. I mean if they said 40m2 instead of 35m2 would understand but underquoting ?! Let me not even start with weight.
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