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Old 30-03-2013, 19:58   #31
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For example, is there going to be much of a difference in hobby horsing when going to windward in a 32' compared to a 40'?
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Old 30-03-2013, 20:01   #32
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Here are a bunch of different blog posts on this topic: http://themonkeysfist.blogspot.com/2...ly-matter.html
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Old 01-04-2013, 21:20   #33
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Re: Does size really matter?

Size definitely matters, but bigger is not always better. Also, length is not the only dimension, there is also beam and headroom. The number of steps into the lower decks, the amount of headroom in the cabins, the width of the shower room, the length of the galley, and so on and so on.

If a boat gets beyond a certain length/girth, visibility declines, as well as manueverability (in general). The severity of that varies by boat design.

As an example, I like lagoons. I wouldn't (at this point) want to handle one larger than 42', though I wouldn't mind living aboard a much larger one than that. Beyond 42', the cabin height is too high to give good visibility from the helm.

42' is more than enough to satisfy my partner, it's as much as I'd want to handle, so 42' is probably as big as I'll ever get. 40' would be enough.
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Old 01-04-2013, 21:41   #34
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Re: Does size really matter?

I met a group on a 100ft boat and I asked them if all their stuff made their lives better.

The response was "yes, and after cruising on this boat we could never go back to anything smaller"

So there you have it, bigger is better.
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In relation to yachts, I mean

Comparing a 50ft to a 48ft, how much extra will it really cost? 2ft extra in marina fees, haul outs, anti foul. Would it be a huge difference or just a little? I realize it depends on which marina, etc but just ballpark?

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Your question is not quite so simple as you may think. As someone else posted you seem to be interested in two boats but I am not sure which ones.

It is quite possible that a 48 foot boat might have hulls with much more beam than a finer hulled 50 foot boat. The 50 foot boat could have much more netting fore and aft that might be cheaper than a solid deck 48 footer.

The link to the guy who likes FPs does contain some interesting information, some of which I agree with and some I don't.

I sail on a Seawind 1000xl. It has much narrower hulls than an FP in the harbor where the boat is. Quite frankly the FP kinda bothers me because there is an AC on the boat as well as a hot water heater and a micro wave. The guy runs his genset constantly and I don't like the noise. This is a common choice and not everyone agrees on the right answer.

But it does factor into how much maintaining a boat will cost. Are you looking for a condomaran with huge interior space that you will have AC for and a genset to power things. If so you will need a wide hull boat to carry all that stuff.

Another thing to keep in mind is how boat speed affects how often you need to haul out and repaint. In the Keys I almost always dive every week or so and scrape some of the growth off, often to attract fish. It is also common for me to be sailing at 10kn or a little better which also helps control the growth. A more sedentary boat might need to be hauled more often.

Not to say something like an FP, Lagoon, or the like does not fit some owners better than a Seawind or Shuttleworth or Woods. This is a case of horses for courses.

Maybe if you told us which 48 footer and which 50 footer you are interested in it would be easier for owners of those specific boats to provide information on costs.
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Old 01-04-2013, 23:54   #36
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Quite frankly the FP kinda bothers me because there is an AC on the boat as well as a hot water heater and a micro wave. The guy runs his genset constantly and I don't like the noise. This is a common choice and not everyone agrees on the right answer.
The right answer is that generators are not for running microwave ovens and air conditioners. That is what shore power is for.
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The right answer is that generators are not for running microwave ovens and air conditioners. That is what shore power is for.
Or....the microwave and the air conditioning are to keep the admiral happy and on the boat, and the generator is deemed a necessary distraction

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Old 02-04-2013, 05:38   #38
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Or....the microwave and the air conditioning are to keep the admiral happy and on the boat, and the generator is deemed a necessary distraction
I know both the capt and the admiral and quite frankly the AC is deemed necessary by the capt. This is why I made the comment horses for courses. While I do have a Honda 2000 I have run it once to make sure it works. My Seawind has sufficient solar power for its needs, and Engel, 24/7 fan for the NaturesWay head, lights, and nav stuff.

A real genset and the gas to run it several hours a day not to mention the extra items the genset is needed for mean more space/volume/size which means more costs to maintain.
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Re: Does size really matter?

A honda 2000 is little more than an emergency battery charger. If you tip it's exaust away, it is almost impossible to hear. It's there when you have to run a furnace fan all night, recharge a battery, or if you're out at sea and want to watch a little TV for fun.

That's completely different than running a genset in an anchorage or worse a public mooring or marina.
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A Honda 2000'will run a 100 amp battery charger. It will also run a window unit ac almost all night on one gallon of gas. They're amazing little machines that'll do a lot more than you would think.
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Re: Does size really matter?

the honda eu20i is far from whisper quiet especially under a big load
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A honda 2000 is little more than an emergency battery charger. If you tip it's exaust away, it is almost impossible to hear. It's there when you have to run a furnace fan all night, recharge a battery, or if you're out at sea and want to watch a little TV for fun.

That's completely different than running a genset in an anchorage or worse a public mooring or marina.
Really?little more than emergency batt charger? We have solar to recharge the batteries are also two 50 amp alternators. Non of which will run a 16000 btu mermaid air we have, which the Honda eu 2000 does wonderfully well for 7 hours on 1 gal of fuel. Our tv however will run off a tiny 100 watt inverter as will our computer etc. We have over2000 hours on ours and runs great, i would like a newer one ours is 6 years old.
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A honda 2000 is little

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Quite true and that is one thing I like about the 2000, it is easy for an old weak man like me to pick it up with one hand.

But just as size matters with boats it matters with generators as well.
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Most of the talk is about living space and cost of ownership. I'd like to know about the impact length has on sailing features. For example, is there going to be much of a difference in hobby horsing when going to windward in a 32' compared to a 40'?
Ask yourself why they call them "Small Craft Advisories."

A 32-footer might struggle in 3-foot chop that my boat doesn't even notice.
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Simple answer in my mind, yes it does. Saying this with tongue in cheek, you spend more time on the hook than sailing so u might as well be comfortable if you can afford it. With that being said, if you coastal cruise and pick your weather a smaller boat is just fine. A friend of mine has been sailing a 27 footer for many years,15 plus, but hardly ever ventures far off shore and sails solo 12 months out of the year. So I guess it's whatever floats your boat with how you are sailing
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