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Old 26-09-2015, 09:29   #16
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Re: Dock side appeal of three cats

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The TPI boats where balsa for sure. Which is fine I have a J40 now, built by TPI and it is rock solid.

The 47 was built in France for sure. I don't know what the story was over there.
The 47 Lagoon TPI was American built......and still a great boat.
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Old 26-09-2015, 09:50   #17
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Re: Dock side appeal of three cats

Some Lagoons were French built and some TPI. I would want to know before buying. Personally I probably wouldn't want to deal with daggerboards for a cruising boat, but if you are the type that likes to tweek things as you move maybe you would.
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Old 26-09-2015, 09:56   #18
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So subjective isn't it? What is sexier an Aston Martin, Lambo, or Ferrari ?

I like the performance of a boat as being my number one criteria. So after crunching the Bruce numbers I lean that way. If u want a floating condo then we are talking a different situation. I was surprised u didn't mention Outremers also ! Any particular reason why not? How about Chris White Atlantic Cats? So many boats...so little money! smile.
The Atlantic cats are out of my price range and the Outremer is a bit too small for full time living with a family of 4. Don't they say 90% at anchor. I do like the Outremers for the sailing, but add cost and living in and they fall down the list a bit.
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Old 26-09-2015, 09:58   #19
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The 47 Lagoon TPI was American built......and still a great boat.
I could be wrong but I thought the 37 and 42 were TPI and the larger ones JTA. for the 90' time frame.
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Old 26-09-2015, 10:03   #20
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Re: Dock side appeal of three cats

1 -Freydis 46

2 -Lagoon 47

3 -Catana
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Old 26-09-2015, 10:10   #21
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I could be wrong but I thought the 37 and 42 were TPI and the larger ones JTA. for the 90' time frame.
There were 37's and 47's built by Tillot Pearson (hence TPI) in Rhode Island, USA. There was also a 42 (briefly). Production was moved to France with the new design 47 having the vertical windows. The 37 morphed into the vertical windowed 38.
No TPI Lagoon was ever built in France.....and could not be when TPI refers to a specific Rhode Island builder with a reputation for quality.
Some people say the TPI Lagoons were the best built Lagoons.
To my eyes, the TPI's are the prettiest Lagoons and still look the most modern (my opinion).
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Old 26-09-2015, 10:49   #22
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Alliura Privilege ways wins in my humble opinion.
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Old 26-09-2015, 11:56   #23
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Re: Dock side appeal of three cats

I like to go!
1. Catania
2. Catania
3. Catania

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I like to go!
1. Catania
2. Catania
3. Catania

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The Freydis should outperform the Catana easily,
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Old 26-09-2015, 16:25   #25
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The Freydis should outperform the Catana easily,
Not easily, if at all - especially upwind. It doesn't have boards, right? I'll predict it would be no contest upwind.

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Which do you like in order for the exterior design
Only you can decide what vessel looks the best to you. If you have specific questions on the 471 just ask.

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Re: Dock side appeal of three cats

1 -Freydis 46 (Sleek, fast, enough accomodation)

2 -Lagoon 47 (the best Lagoon?? Probably)

3 -Catana (who likes the Rambo style steering in the sun/rain/sprays??)

Outremers and Atlantics, do not have the accommodation and the living ergonomics, like you said, 90% at anchor (with other cruisers... sundowners .... pot lucks, dinners.....)
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Which of these three cats has the most dock side appeal to you.

Freydis 46

Lagoon 47 (1st version)

Catana 471

Which do you like in order for the exterior design
1.
2.
3.

The price range is quite different for the three so leave price out.

This is what we used to call the "RAW" factor - what you saw as you took the oars to row away from your cat at anchor. Everyone now looks the other way with outboards.

I have a rule applied since 1966 - nothing in the spec for the structure that can rot. Very satisfying - I can tell all the owners or potential buyers of older Kelsall's, structural survey will almost certainly be good for more decades.

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What core material does the Subouis Fredis have??
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Old 26-09-2015, 17:06   #29
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3 -Catana (who likes the Rambo style steering in the sun/rain/sprays??)
Have you tried them, spiv?

The outboard helms on my boat are the most popular seats on board - both are usually occupied unless it's really snotty, then only the leeward one is.

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Re: Dock side appeal of three cats

Sorry Dave, but shirtless, bald head and no hat, sitting in the sun all day is the antithesis of our sailing strategy - which involves as much shade as possible. We avoid sun as much as possible, wear shirts, use liberal sunblock, and we still end up deeply tanned and sometimes burned in the tropics.

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