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Old 27-12-2012, 12:11   #61
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Re: Damaged 2012 Lagoon 450, Only $150K

Late model catamaran - very slowly taking on of water - appeared to be coming right through the FRP - drilled with 2" hole saw - found only chopped strand and only 3mm thick in one spot.
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Old 27-12-2012, 13:15   #62
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Re: Damaged 2012 Lagoon 450, Only $150K

That submaran would appear to be one hell of an ambitious undertaking. Too bad it was submerged to the depth it was, or could have made an interesting parts doner. But it appears that much of the interesting organs are now cancer riddled. Captains career : R.I.P.
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Old 27-12-2012, 15:43   #63
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The decks and rig all appear intact, with no obvious structural damage. Vessel shows very nice from waterline up.
Cheers for the info (my highlights - I guess the surveyor(?) not going out on a limb with that report .

Plus throw in the disclaimer from the broker:-

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Old 27-12-2012, 15:57   #64
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Re: Damaged 2012 Lagoon 450, Only $150K

The dinghy looks fine.

I wouldn't touch this thing with a barge pole.

I hope no one except a experienced boat builder buys it. It's just a nest of very expensive tears.
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Old 27-12-2012, 16:09   #65
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Late model catamaran - very slowly taking on of water - appeared to be coming right through the FRP - drilled with 2" hole saw - found only chopped strand and only 3mm thick in one spot.
Puzzles me what this posting has to do with the subject or what it is you are trying to say?
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Old 27-12-2012, 18:08   #66
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Puzzles me what this posting has to do with the subject or what it is you are trying to say?
Seemed clear to me, he was commenting on the quality of modern cats. I have no opinion on whether he's correct, but it fits in the thread well enough.
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Old 27-12-2012, 18:12   #67
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Seemed clear to me, he was commenting on the quality of modern cats. I have no opinion on whether he's correct, but it fits in the thread well enough.
Vague post to me with no specifics. A bit more info could be useful.
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Old 27-12-2012, 18:37   #68
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Seemed clear to me, he was commenting on the quality of modern cats. I have no opinion on whether he's correct, but it fits in the thread well enough.
Nothing to do with the structure of this cat led to its demise. As i stated prior i've salvaged and repaired boats with identical damage in steel, ally and glass. THE common denominator is coral/rock's and surge.

FRP and rocks mixed with waves were the boats downfall, most production boats whether they be cats or dogs are constructed the same, in this case BENETEAU....
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Old 27-12-2012, 20:22   #69
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Re: Damaged 2012 Lagoon 450, Only $150K

The Cat Co is still saying it's available for charter this week. Are we sure that the boat in question is Knotty Dreams? There is no name on the hulls.
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Nothing to do with the structure of this cat led to its demise. As i stated prior i've salvaged and repaired boats with identical damage in steel, ally and glass. THE common denominator is coral/rock's and surge.

FRP and rocks mixed with waves were the boats downfall, most production boats whether they be cats or dogs are constructed the same, in this case BENETEAU....
I never said any different. I simply pointed out that it was relevant, as others have brought up the construction of Modern catamarans. I expressed no personal opinion on the subject.

I've noticed your tendency to pick a fight whatever possible. there is none here to be had.
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I never said any different. I simply pointed out that it was relevant, as others have brought up the construction of Modern catamarans. I expressed no personal opinion on the subject.

I've noticed your tendency to pick a fight whatever possible. there is none here to be had.
Wow you believe my question was hostile? If so you have my apologies.

My response was based on clarifying why someone would think any FRP boat would survive such an event, it was the event itself that screwed this boat not hypothetical deficiencies in 'Modern Cat's' structure.

Would a picture of a CQR anchor bent and twisted be of value to this thread with the comment 'Cqr's fail in coral'???

I mentioned Beneteau as an instance to simply point out that 'Modern' Cat manufacturers build mono's as well.

Once again i thought there was no attack or nastiness in my response...
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Re: Damaged 2012 Lagoon 450, Only $150K

Not to change the subject, but I plan to purchase a Lagoon 420 in the next few weeks. I live in Maryland and the boat is in the Caribbean. I plan to move onto it next year. Where is the best place to flag it? I want to pay as little as possible in sales tax.
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Old 28-12-2012, 14:02   #73
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I think I just found the answer to my question. Delaware and Virginia.
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Re: Damaged 2012 Lagoon 450, Only $150K

Asking 150k is too much. I would guess its true value to be what you could get for its parts. If purchased and repaired, I don't think anyone in their right mind would purchase it, especially if the repair work was done by an amateur. Remember that the tension from the rig goes through the deck and hull.
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Old 28-12-2012, 14:21   #75
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This boat is a total loss. Only good for the parts which where above the roof.
Engines and woodwork will all go bad in short order after the salt bath.

Don't believe everything you think. This Cat is a total loss and is worth about $0.0

VWVortex.com - Brand new Lagoon 450 grounded on a reef and bottom torn out.
That is pretty sad. Before I saw the pictures, I wouldn't have believed that it was that bad.

But, I wouldn't pay $150 for it.

There should be an on-line TV show about what not to do in boats.
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