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Old 16-01-2015, 20:23   #1246
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I always rise to the challenge. Here's a 50' aluminum cat. Nice equipment. Not a project but kinda cheap for a big one. In Tarpon Springs.
50 ft.aluminum sailboat catamaran
This is a big project.
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mast has reverse curve
Mast/rigging failed and a small mast was emergently put in to get home. If you're into doing it all this is an interesting boat assuming it sails well. It needs repowering since it has VW TDI engines! And special mounts and custom saildrives, yada, yada, yada.
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Old 17-01-2015, 08:02   #1248
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Mast/rigging failed and a small mast was emergently put in to get home. If you're into doing it all this is an interesting boat assuming it sails well. It needs repowering since it has VW TDI engines! And special mounts and custom saildrives, yada, yada, yada.
The pics show shaft drive and the specs say V drive configuration. I looked up the VW engines and I found mostly positive comments. What's the issue with these in general?
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Old 17-01-2015, 09:31   #1249
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The pics show shaft drive and the specs say V drive configuration. I looked up the VW engines and I found mostly positive comments. What's the issue with these in general?
I would also like to know other than being way more engine than you need as auxiliary engines, they would be great engines in a powercat. Ive had VW tdi cars for a decade and the older ones are very good but I would not want the PD i have in my current 05 Passat.

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Old 17-01-2015, 16:44   #1250
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If the 23' cat is a Tom Jones design, it probably works fine. I have friends in NJ who knew him and his widow Joyce well and they can tell Tom Jones stories for hours. Thomas Firth Jones was an american James Wharram and the two were good friends. Tom and his wife traveled great distances in small multi-hulls and was an advocate for light, simple plywood boats. He was highly opinionated but also very entertaining. For example, he once said that when he retired, he would travel the world marrying the parents of boatyard owners.
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I would also like to know other than being way more engine than you need as auxiliary engines, they would be great engines in a powercat. Ive had VW tdi cars for a decade and the older ones are very good but I would not want the PD i have in my current 05 Passat.

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It is an intriguing question, although I know that marinizing an automobile engine is rarely simple. Particularly as car engines grow more & more complex.
That said, I'm curious to hear discourse on the topic as well.
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Old 20-01-2015, 06:25   #1252
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It is an intriguing question, although I know that marinizing an automobile engine is rarely simple. Particularly as car engines grow more & more complex.
That said, I'm curious to hear discourse on the topic as well.
There is a guy over on VW vortex who is developing a marinizing kit for a couple of tdi engine models although he is not using the ecu. Back when I was a kid in NZ the national boating magazine Sea Spray, featured several new launchings every month and nearly every boat used marinized car or truck engines and you could buy the kits to do so for many common engines, i don't believe its as big a deal as its made out to be.

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There is a guy over on VW vortex who is developing a marinizing kit for a couple of tdi engine models although he is not using the ecu. Back when I was a kid in NZ the national boating magazine Sea Spray, featured several new launchings every month and nearly every boat used marinized car or truck engines and you could buy the kits to do so for many common engines, i don't believe its as big a deal as its made out to be.

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Steve, thanks for the above. But also, any and all, links and information which you might be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.
I know that such conversions needn't be rocket science, however, it'd be good to get it done right (the first time) so that you aren't stuck endlessly running diagnostics, or wrenching on things.

Some of the bigger issues which run through my mind are: Exhaust Systems, Cooling Systems, Transmissions, & the survivability of automobile electronics & such in the marine environment.
And dare I ask how long ago you're referring to regarding to your comments on all of these kits?
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VW does the marinizing itself or through it's affiliates.
Marine engines < Products < Volkswagen Powersystems

And click on the "See All Models and Specs" and you find 4 variations of the same engine with impressive HP.
https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/us/...el/20l-tier-3/

The old VW Pathfinder diesel had a good following.
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And a few threads here on the DIY on these and other engines.
DIY Marinizing - Boat Design Forums

And here.
VW 1.9TDI Engine (AFN) to the boat... - Boat Design Forums
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I think its one of Tom Jones designs, he used to sell plans, died a few years ago. He was based in Tuckahoe, NJ and wrote a couple of books.

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I wrote a lengthy reply to the problems needing address but it didn't post and no draft was saved. If anyone wants specific information about the generalities involved they can PM me if serious. It's not a simple problem. A nonturbo engine would be much easier to do although still not simple.
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Iroquois just posted in Maryland:

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Iroquois just posted in Maryland:

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In fair overall shape, just some cosmetic issues
Well, given the pics, that's a rather hopeful statement. What's with that last pic? Are those the beginnings of an adobe cottage going up?
If this boat were a child, the owner would be in jail for abuse and negligence.
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Well, given the pics, that's a rather hopeful statement. What's with that last pic? Are those the beginnings of an adobe cottage going up?
If this boat were a child, the owner would be in jail for abuse and negligence.
LOL! But Hey, you never know what sort of project people are looking for!
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