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31-08-2013, 13:40
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
With all that beer you just guzzled you want a head right here and right now.
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01-09-2013, 15:35
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#602
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
A new one just popped up.
44 foot Trimaran
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01-09-2013, 15:59
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
As one looks at some of these boats, the one off kind, you have got to ask yourself, what were they thinking. I would guess that someone thought they could re-invent the wheel, do it better. Then they start the project only for it to fall into many different hands, at a loss each time, to the point where it is realy worthless. I came across a 55 ft sailboat that was one of these dreams for 5K. I am sure over 200k was spent to get it into the condition. Some one did actually buy the hulk and they are turning it into another hulk. Sad in a way, interesting in another.
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03-09-2013, 06:38
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
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04-09-2013, 07:35
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
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Originally Posted by Rocketman
As one looks at some of these boats, the one off kind, you have got to ask yourself, what were they thinking. I would guess that someone thought they could re-invent the wheel, do it better. Then they start the project only for it to fall into many different hands, at a loss each time, to the point where it is realy worthless. I came across a 55 ft sailboat that was one of these dreams for 5K. I am sure over 200k was spent to get it into the condition. Some one did actually buy the hulk and they are turning it into another hulk. Sad in a way, interesting in another.
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This is probably my all-time favorite thread - My interest has changed from "I want a cheap boat help me find one" to "now I know why I'll spend $300k for a french built factory boat"
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04-09-2013, 12:26
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
Art,
I guess I am following you around.
I feel much the same way with this thread. Very informative.
There is this couple that bought a Catalac and have been working on it for a long time now. Sure they have been sailing a little all along but I think most of it has been wiring, alternators, batteries, engine work, etc etc. I could not get past just the maintenance and minor personal mods wanted as an owner of a almost new 34' cat what with work and all.
Only if I plan on living on it could I afford it. Because afford includes hours not just dollars.
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04-09-2013, 12:45
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
Well, thanks guys.
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04-09-2013, 14:10
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
For live aboard cruising my pick for price and performance living systems and deck area is the Searunner from 34 to 40 feet. To me they are a genious boat inside and outside.
There is another that really takes my fancy the Neel Trimaran. It again is a breakthrough for my kind of thinking. the ergonomics of design inside is incredible. Performance PLUS and looking like a very safe machine. Just one thing for me as a point against is if running before a storm with a drogue would mean blue water could pound the stern window area.
But that is how all these off shore multis are designed now.
I suppose boats are like colours and some people just dont like the colour red.
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04-09-2013, 14:43
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
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Well, thanks guys.
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You're welcome.
It has given me more insight into what is out there. It also reinforces the fact that a if one plans to live aboard and cruise a sail boat there needs to be a modicum of working equipment. If it doesn't then it needs to be fixed somehow. Whatever the threshold of that equipment is, of course, up to the individual living with or without it. Choices.
Of course the level of risk of things that won't work is up to the individual also.
All this is sort of just to say that you get what you pay for. That seems to be the bottom line excepting buying something with hidden/unrealized defects.
I can do a lot of stuff but my choice is to keep working and making enough to buy what I want. I do not want to buy a boat and spend a year or two (and a whole truck load of money - more even?) and then start sailing around.
Like that Shoening (sp?) cat in FL. Boy did I want to look at that...........
Till some others started getting more info on it.
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04-09-2013, 15:06
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
Then there is this. I can't figure out what is going on inside there.
1988 Privilege 48 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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04-09-2013, 15:50
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Location: Trunk (boot) of my car
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
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The engines run well (see Disclaimer note).
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Hard to believe it's only 60K though. I thought they had dropped a zero at the end, but I guess not.
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04-09-2013, 16:14
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
These old Privileges are only worth about $250K. Would you spend that getting it back together?
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04-09-2013, 16:16
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Originally Posted by Therapy
Art,
I guess I am following you around.
I feel much the same way with this thread. Very informative.
There is this couple that bought a Catalac and have been working on it for a long time now. Sure they have been sailing a little all along but I think most of it has been wiring, alternators, batteries, engine work, etc etc. I could not get past just the maintenance and minor personal mods wanted as an owner of a almost new 34' cat what with work and all.
Only if I plan on living on it could I afford it. Because afford includes hours not just dollars.
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Kinda reminds me of what my father told me years ago. There are two sizes of boats, trailerable and not. If a boat isn't trailerable then it should be big enough to live aboard and you should live aboard it.
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04-09-2013, 19:08
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
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Originally Posted by rossad
For live aboard cruising my pick for price and performance living systems and deck area is the Searunner from 34 to 40 feet. To me they are a genious boat inside and outside.
There is another that really takes my fancy the Neel Trimaran. It again is a breakthrough for my kind of thinking. the ergonomics of design inside is incredible. Performance PLUS and looking like a very safe machine. Just one thing for me as a point against is if running before a storm with a drogue would mean blue water could pound the stern window area.
But that is how all these off shore multis are designed now.
I suppose boats are like colours and some people just dont like the colour red.
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Those searunners bob like corks in the waves....not as smooth as a cross...
Seriously-about the Neel. I haven't seen any real windward data on leeway etc.... just the makers blurb on not needing any daggers, cbs etc....I"d like to see a windward comparison with some cats like the Catana.
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05-09-2013, 01:14
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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects
Fare point Cavalier MK 2.Re the Neel. Hoping that the home work was done for leeway. The underside of the main hull and the arma i havnt seen. I must admit i also thought about this. For such a undertaking of a build with the most advance materials i would be surprised if they (french multi specialist) would get it wrong. but its possible. The Neel is a safer and faster machine to that of the Catana in all directions in my book and what i have heard from the agents in NZ are the same price. Only 5 Neels have been built.... They are the break through.
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