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Old 08-07-2013, 07:26   #451
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This might be worth a look, if someone's near Daytona Beach, FL:
1970 Iroquois catamaran 30 ft
I like the Iroquios. The listing tells about going 9kts on a recent trip and shows the GPS display of that. But the position and heading show the boat traveling North in the main axis of the Gulf Stream - so that 9kt SOG was having a 3-4kt help.

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Old 08-07-2013, 07:38   #452
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I like the Iroquios. The listing tells about going 9kts on a recent trip and shows the GPS display of that. But the position and heading show the boat traveling North in the main axis of the Gulf Stream - so that 9kt SOG was having a 3-4kt help.

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Old 08-07-2013, 12:02   #453
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Aloha Folks!
I keep going back and forth on the 42'er here in Hawaii. It's more boat than I need/want, although only by 8', or so, but that's a big percentage.
It definitely looks like she used to be a ketch. Is there any problem leaving it the way it is and not replacing the mizzen?
She's not a bad looking boat. Certainly a better way to go than Moon Dog, no offense to anyone attached to Moon Dog.
The seller claims it has new sails and rigging down below.
Does the mast actually have to be dropped to replace the standing rigging, or could one replace it very carefully while standing? The mast has steps on it.
I suppose one is better off having a boat that is a bit too big, rather than a bit too small, especially with a family of four.
I'm going to try and get someone on Oahu to check it out for me before I fly over there.
I'm also checking out that one in Texas, Mike. I like that boat a lot more.
Anyone have any experience shipping a cat on a freighter? If I could get it to California, I wouldn't mind sailing it from there to here. Texas is a bit too far for a novice ocean sailor, especially through the Panama Canal.
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Let's see, you are comparing a boat of unknown design and unknown builder to Moon Dog, a sailboat with a rich history of design, builder and cruising. From your pictures it looks like the cat has barely 18" of clearance. The quality of the interior looks poor. A person could put a lot of energy into a poor design and still have a poor design. Moon Dog has a return on investment.
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Old 08-07-2013, 19:24   #454
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Hedley Nicole 30' tri 15K, engine type not clear, if any.

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Nicol Islander, roomy for the size. This boat was on the market for a long time for about 10,000 more, maybe it will sell with the price drop.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:05   #456
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Aloha Folks!
I have identified an incredible deal on a carbon fiber cat kit. It's being sold by a man who has built a few cats, including a Stiletto, using this material. I actually have experience building CF telescopes, so I am quite familiar with it.
The seller is also offering to assist me with the build remotely. I also have recently discovered that Mike Eaton (of surf/paddleboard fame) lives here in town and he has also been involved in building cats back in the 60's. I met with him last week and he agreed to provide some coaching as well.

Apparently, the seller did not use plans when building his boats, and he doesn't seem to think they're essential.

Well, what do you folks think of this plan?

BTW: I am consulting with Bernd Kohler and Derek Kelsall, along with others, too.
I am trying to tap as many experienced minds as possible.

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Theres a 27 prout ranger in hudson fl, crazy old man has been asking 23k for at least 10 years. Willing to trade for just about anything including a new wife lol. He might take 10-13k on it. Out runs well.
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Theres a 27 prout ranger in hudson fl, crazy old man has been asking 23k for at least 10 years. Willing to trade for just about anything including a new wife lol. He might take 10-13k on it. Out runs well.
I had given that one some thought. I like the fact that it is different from the typical Prout set-up with the small mainsail and the massive genoa (which just doesn't look right).

The only problem is that I'm nowhere near FL.

What condition would you say the boat is in?
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CraigDC: Building a boat is way more expensive and time consuming than you think. Carbon fiber is outrageously expensive at about 5 to 10 times the cost of regular glass. Now if you are going to build a boat out of that expensive carbon fiber then you aren't going to put cheapo used stuff in the boat, are you?
Here's some rules of thumb for building your own boat.
1. Expect to pay at least half of the price of a new boat for the one you are building.
2. Expect to put in about 100 hours per ft of length.
3. Get plans.
And don't even think about infusion.

If you want a low priced blue water boat then just build or buy a Wharram.

What is your budget?
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I had given that one some thought. I like the fact that it is different from the typical Prout set-up with the small mainsail and the massive genoa (which just doesn't look right).

The only problem is that I'm nowhere near FL.

What condition would you say the boat is in?
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Id say its a 6 out if 10. Looked like it had some coach roof damage that was repaired. Pretty basic no frills boat.
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CraigDC: Building a boat is way more expensive and time consuming than you think. Carbon fiber is outrageously expensive at about 5 to 10 times the cost of regular glass. Now if you are going to build a boat out of that expensive carbon fiber then you aren't going to put cheapo used stuff in the boat, are you?
Here's some rules of thumb for building your own boat.
1. Expect to pay at least half of the price of a new boat for the one you are building.
2. Expect to put in about 100 hours per ft of length.
3. Get plans.
And don't even think about infusion.

If you want a low priced blue water boat then just build or buy a Wharram.

What is your budget?
These materials are available at a cost far below the cost of plywood, epoxy and fiberglass (according to ply/epoxy/glass kit prices) and will require far less effort and time to create a boat.

As far as budget, as little as possible. I have an initial amount of funds of around $20k, and continue to make more. I see this boat as being essential, not a luxury "toy". I believe I have seen a reasonable amount of the used market, and I can't see getting anywhere near this boat at this cost. I have plenty of time and helpers.
Bernd Kohler just published an article on wishbone gaf rigs (see attachment) that seems to be a good fit for my project and will reduce costs as well.

I think my timing is good, since the slumping economy is forcing designers to come up with new, lower cost options to enable them to keep selling plans.

Let me know if I'm missing something, but I think this is a very sensible path.

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Re: Cheap Multis and Projects

Craig I think you need to be a little more specific, what is a 'kit' without plans???
Someone has a $30k of carbon fiber they will sell for $3k because times are slow?

If it sounds too good to be true, it almost always is....
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Craig how big is the boat?
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My intent of these most recent posts was to provide an update of my status. I don't want to disclose too many details about this deal, for fear of losing it.
I appreciate your concerns for my money and effort.
The materials are enough to build a 35' cat.

I am making every effort to come up with some plans.

It's probably best to start a new thread to discuss the CF Cat concept.

Thank you!

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Craig, The other hard part of this equation is finding stock plans using carbon fiber. You will probably have to pay for some re-engineering. Please do not let some guy talk you into winging it.
I like Kelsalls KSS method. Have you checked this out?
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