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Old 20-09-2016, 08:44   #1846
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I ended up passing on the boat primarily because there were sections on the interior where the fiberglass has pulled away from the plywood core and I had concerns about how far that went and what kind of moisture penetration had occurred. The boat looks pretty good from the outside, but inside you'd need to replace pretty much everything wood and all the wiring due to moisture damage, as well as stripping all the paint covering the interior fiberglass and removing large amounts of mold. It appears the left hull has had water to a level at least over the sole for some time, but all the soles including the main cabin would need to be replaced. The windows are probably the source of the leak and would need to be rebedded at best or replaced. Engines may or may not be OK, main is relatively new with some sun damage on an exposed area, not able to unfurl the jib but was replaced the same time as the main so may just need sacrificial replaced, standing rigging looked OK at deck level.
Overall I'd say this is a big project that could be a major project if there are big delam issues. It's a minimum 3 day trip to get to the boat from the U.S., including two 4 hour bus rides where you'll be the only gringo if you're not from Panama, so just looking at it isn't for the faint of heart. Also take into account the nearest haulout is in Colon which is some distance away, and you'd need to get it there to be inspected before you could get insurance, which would be problematic given my initial conversations with agents.
Since you had already decide to got down and have a look I decided not to say anything about the somewhat tricky part of getting there. I was down there about 10 years ago when i was considering retiree there. Food in Panama just was terrible, particularly compared to Thailand. And the women were nothing to compare I chose Thailand. I recently revisite Panama with a friend who bought some properties in the mountainous area of Boquete Nice temp and vistas, but still not so good food.

That delam problem sounds much like the old polyester resin problems that many early fiberglass boat builders had. Good thing you stay away from it. it could have cost you and arm and a leg in money and hassle.

BTW, what size and price vessel are you looking for?
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Old 20-09-2016, 08:46   #1847
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Most bene blues have been rode hard and a lot of use. Still a cool boat. prout events seem to sell ( well ask for )for 30-40% more in the EU than in the us. I've seen 2 Events asking in the 60s in the US.. I like them nice boats for their size. Sprouts are great if you don't mind the drive legs, and can find one that has had great maintenance to stop water ingress issues via windows , deck penetrations etc.
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Old 20-09-2016, 08:51   #1848
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https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/5779420058.html

Anyway might be a good deal if this the kind of boat you want.
That very well might be a pretty good deal.
I could do a little inspection/photo trip for someone as I live fairly close by Green Cove in St Augustine, FL
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Old 20-09-2016, 09:24   #1849
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A smaller Prout, ;0) ,My smart phone is a pain sometimes

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Old 20-09-2016, 14:54   #1850
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That very well might be a pretty good deal.
I could do a little inspection/photo trip for someone as I live fairly close by Green Cove in St Augustine, FL

Talked to a guy that looked at that Gemini, he said it was in excellent condition and probably the cleanest boat he has looked at. May be a good deal.


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Since you had already decide to got down and have a look I decided not to say anything about the somewhat tricky part of getting there. I was down there about 10 years ago when i was considering retiree there. Food in Panama just was terrible, particularly compared to Thailand. And the women were nothing to compare I chose Thailand. I recently revisite Panama with a friend who bought some properties in the mountainous area of Boquete Nice temp and vistas, but still not so good food.

That delam problem sounds much like the old polyester resin problems that many early fiberglass boat builders had. Good thing you stay away from it. it could have cost you and arm and a leg in money and hassle.

BTW, what size and price vessel are you looking for?
My son and I actually had a lot of fun on the trip, the adventure was part of the reason for going in the first place, but definitely not for someone who hasn't done this kind of thing before and/or speaks no Spanish.
I would agree that the delam looked like a manufacturing issue, it was almost like they didn't even glass the inside, just slapped some resin on the plywood core then put a thick coat of paint on it. Oddly the fiberglass on the exterior looked much better than most boats that age I've seen.
Still looking for a 36-41' cat, 2000 or newer somewhere in the western hemisphere. Despite the super value shopping on this one I've actually got a decent budget and would prefer a boat in good shape rather than a project.
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A smaller Prout, ;0) ,My smart phone is a pain sometimes

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Haha no a Blu 5.5
You buy another cat yet?

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Has anyone seen a Prout Quest 33 / Event 34 or even better a Beneteau Blue II for sale in Europe? They all seem to be rare as.
Not the same but....a friend of mine has his Edel 35 in Greece

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Old 24-09-2016, 21:27   #1856
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Dean cat running in st Thomas
https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/boa/5788169879.html


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I plan to build a 27' trailerable tri. Instead of buying new spars, electronics, and hardware, I wonder about buying a cheap used boat. Like maybe something damaged while on the hard so I can get it cheap but it has not been submerged. I wonder about looking for multihulls or monos for this purpose. Multis would be more likely to fit the rig specs; looks like monos would need to be in the 30'-32' range to get the proper mast and boom sections, and I'd then need to shorten the mast. But lead mines have a bunch of advantages ... plenty to find pretty cheap, and salvaging that ballast sure helps the budget. Winches would likely be oversized for my need but is that so bad? Suggestions welcomed ... specific boat referrals not needed yet at this strategizing point of the process.
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Catalina 25 sailboat for free -
http://longisland.craigslist.org/zip/5804917808.html

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I think there is a similar thread in monos, but I couldnt find it. If a mod wants to move that post or link to the other thread, go for it.

As far as building a trailerable tri, why not search for an older farrier tt720 or tt680? Theres a few floating around, or look for some f boat projects that someone cant finish?

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