Originally Posted by Cherise
Gemini 3000 & 3200 - has anyone here owned one or inspected one? I posted a thread asking if anyone had and if they knew if the build quality was stronger/stouter than the 105s. Thicker hull, sole or bulkhead?
Thanks guys and gals!
Sent from my SGH-T999L using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
I own a 1988 Gemini 3000 which I bought as a project
which is ongoing. When I purchased it, it was missing its rig and had been sitting for many years. I did several trips to work on it to make it seaworthy
and then,along with a group of friends we delivered it from CT to MN on its own bottom, a great 32 day 1500 mile trip with zero issues. I have since purchased a complete rig from a 3200 which I am installing. I am a boat builder
and have been further into the bowels of this thing than most typical boat owners so I feel I am more than qualified to comment on at least the 3000.
It is true that the 3000 has the most bridge deck
clearance, I had the opportunity to spend some time in a yard in Florida
where at least one of every model was hauled out so I measured the clearances from the bridge deck
to the scum line, not the waterline but where the boat actually floats and
found that every model got less clearance to the point that one that we have in our marina, one of the last built by Hunter
has only 5". The build quality is very poor, nothing is tabbed in properly, there are only 2 locations on the 3000 where you can block the boat on the hard
and because the forward location is a long way forward they often get blocked in the wrong place an the boat is not strong enough for this, consequently they tend to get broken under the shower
pan and the stbd stateroom sole and this was the case with mine which I had to repair. There was evidence of poorly repaired prior damage also and I have seen this same damage on several others. I have since repaired mine properly but the laminate was so resin rich that I actually had to chip out a lot of pooled resin to get to the glass to repair it. There are so many poorly built areas in this boat that you probably wonder why I bought it but I got it cheap
and they do have some very good features as long as you don't expect too much, the biggest plus and the single
reason why the are desirable is the 14ft beam. Its overall dimension just work well for a lot of people, they are a great platform to live and travel on. If you are in the market for one I personally like the 3200, I would not want the diesel
, the outboard
works very well on these boats, the diesel
setup has been troublesome for a lot of folks, we only have a couple of 105s on lake superior
, one has been converted to an outboard
and the other hunter
built one has been nothing but trouble. At some point in the early years of the 105s they switched from symmetrical plywood
centerboards to asymmetrical foam/glass boards, the assymetrical boards are a bad idea on this type of cat and while the foam/ glass boards should be a big improvement but unfortunately they too are poorly built, we have the boards from the Hunter built boat in our shop right now cut open and its shocking how bad they are, they are very unfair and the foam is not proper structural foam but rather non structural, low density buoyancy foam which is of course wet and on one of them they didn't even mix enough so it didn't fill the whole space. Its going to cost a lot to fix and the owner is going after the builder
. While the 105s are a lot nicer than the older boats many of the construction details are no better. An example would be the chainplates which are the same as the older boats where, notably they purchased off the shelf shaeffer strap chainplates which in themselves are properly engineered but then the builder, rather than buy the 1 1/2" straps with the 1/2" pin hole buy the 1/4" strap and then drill the 3/8" hole out, thereby reducing the safety
factor down to almost zero.