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Old 17-07-2012, 09:44   #46
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Come on guys start another thread. Way off topic.
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Re: Characteristics of the perfect cat

I dunno - I would have thought one of the many characteristics in a boat was the cooking systems. And that discussion is certainly closer to the topic than a number of contributions here. I would have thought that stoves were slightly more on topic than pictures of members of the Felidae family. But it may be worth exploring this elsewhere simply so its easier to find in the future.

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Old 17-07-2012, 17:07   #48
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Re: Characteristics of the perfect cat

Likewise i agree, if the drift went with a discussion of carbo fibre being used in a catamaran with others contributing the pro's and con's would that be deemed as "off topic".

You need to check out the LATEST PIRATES thread, it's gone past being a gun thread and now is a CHILLI powder thread...........
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Re: Characteristics of the perfect cat

Answer A: There is no one boat that is best for both offshore work and extended live-aboard.

Answer B: Any that is big enough to go thru bad weather without getting flipped upside down.

Answer C: Catana 42.

Have your pick.

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Old 17-07-2012, 20:16   #50
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Re: Characteristics of the perfect cat

Answer A: There is no one boat that is best for both offshore work and extended live-aboard.

Ok, how about those Wharram cats that are mostly suited for voyaging and living aboard? Also your Answer B. Also your Answer C, the Catana's are a great design line.

So, what is the perfect catamaran? Ask Larry Ellison. Fly into port. Your crews have the boat ready. Go aboard. Sail like a banshee, your rock star crews working like mad, thousands of spectators taking pictures as well as HD television coverage from helicopters. You go ashore and are whisked away in a helicopter to an exclusive party. You're kind of bored because your next boat, a 72 foot monster that goes even faster, is just getting the bugs worked out. Hydrofoils. It's a 72 foot iceboat. No downwind sails. All apparent wind. It's going to take a few capsizes at 45 knots to work out the bugs.
It will be a while before some of the benefits of the cutting edge technology work their way down to cruising boats, but they do work there way down. Not everything is applicable to a cruising boat, but some of the materials technology and design experiments produce improvements that work their way into boats we can have.
My boat is derived from a design from around 1959 and others of its type are still being built. It's certainly a compromise design, no attempt at cutting edge. It sails well. It's a great boat for a singlehander to brave the seas. It's got a big deck area to have a party in port. I couldn't have more than about 4 people on a cruise without some crowding down below in what someone called "German Submarines". But I can daysail it without problem and keep up or pass other boats, especially since I never sail to windward.
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Re: Characteristics of the perfect cat

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Answer A: There is no one boat that is best for both offshore work and extended live-aboard.

Ok, how about those Wharram cats that are mostly suited for voyaging and living aboard? Also your Answer B. Also your Answer C, the Catana's are a great design line.

So, what is the perfect catamaran? Ask Larry Ellison. (...)
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Go, ask Larry. Then ask him how to make this kind of money to afford one!

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Re: Characteristics of the perfect cat

The perfect cat? = the one you like!

Why would you settle for something someone else likes?
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That is easy.
Just read the book.
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Choosing the perfect cat is a difficult decision. We chose a Chris White design for our family circumnavigation. Essentially she is a fast offshore cat that is easy to sail single handed and very safe for the kids. She has proven herself in many seas and conditions as well as in harbour. see www.sailpegasus.com We never wanted for more space or a diferent layout. If you need a washing machine, big TV's, air conditioning etc then you will need a wallett full of techician phone numbers and cash (or crew) and the reality is that you will spend very little time with all that equipment working...there's always something that needs mending. Likewise you are unlikley to want to go into the southern ocean either.... So it rather depends on your priorities. Pegasus for us has always been the perfect, go anywhere vehicle.
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Re: Characteristics of the perfect cat

A good example of a well thought out cat and design, light weight , spacious and easy to handle and a very good performer.
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Re: Characteristics of the perfect cat

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That is easy.
Just read the book.
I have that book on board (the one with the catamarans) ... must admit I was not too impressed with it though. I think there is scope for someone to present a more comprehensive guide. For me, I would like to see features such as 'packing space, Head room (floor to ceiling), water clearance etc. etc.

Makes a beautiful 'coffee table book' though!
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We chose a Chris White design for our family circumnavigation. Essentially she is a fast offshore cat that is easy to sail single handed and very safe for the kids.
In love with your boat, looks like such a great design, probably the perfect cat for us
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I have that book on board (the one with the catamarans) ... must admit I was not too impressed with it though. I think there is scope for someone to present a more comprehensive guide. For me, I would like to see features such as 'packing space, Head room (floor to ceiling), water clearance etc. etc.

Makes a beautiful 'coffee table book' though!
Just to elaborate on my previous statement, read the inside cover ... it says .."From the technical details to the luxurious lifestyle Catamarans (the book) covers EVERY ASPECT of cruising cats ... blah ... blah ... blah ... and coffee table show piece". Yes ... I buy the part about a coffee table show piece and hope no one ever takes that book seriously when looking to buy the perfect cat!
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Re: Characteristics of the perfect cat

Don't bother with the Tarjan book. Abject expensive waste of time.

Here's some light reading:
"Multihull Seamanship" Gavin le Sueur
Charles Kanter's catamaran books. I don't always agree with Kanter, but his stuff is worth reading: "cruising catamaran communique," "Sailor's Multihull Guide," "Cruising in Catamarans"
"The Cruising Multihull," Chris White
"Multihull Cruising Fundamentals," ASA publication
"Multihull Voyaging," Thomas Firth Jones
"Multihulls for Cruising and Racing," Derek Jones
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Re: Characteristics of the perfect cat

Not about cats, but it's back in print and a worthwhile read, even if a bit dated -
"The Case for the Cruising Trimaran"
by Jim Brown of SeaRunner trimaran fame.
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