Thank you for your input. I'm going to try to explain how my stance on boats have altered since I started this thread. Much of it is in line with what you're saying.
Originally Posted by Southern Star
I have some concerns over the emphasis you are placing on visibility from the interior
, keels and a 'galley-up' design in a boat that is intended to be sailed offshore
Visibility from inside is something I still find as important as when I started. I've discussed earlier why I think it is important, but the key reasons are safety
and that you can look out when you're sitting inside. I agree that they might be of limited use in big seas, but to me it's still a comfort to be able to look forward when you're inside withou having to stand up. You mention the Privilege
in particular. I think they are beautiful, solid, safe and proven designs for water
sailing">blue water sailing and circumnavigating, but not for me, for three reasons: 1. The windows on the Privileges I saw in Florida
(39, 395 and 465) were huge, but you had to stand up to look forward. All of these were also very warm inside because of the big window surfaces. 2. I don't like the forward berth in the nacelle. 3. It is a rock solid boat, but the sailing performance is not quite what I'm looking for (I want a faster boat).
I completely agree about all your reasons for a galley
down, but this is one decision that's out of my hands. My girlfriend has the final say and she wants the galley-up. I've told her why I would like a galley
down (and I really do), but when she says the opposite, I can't force her to change her mind.
She did like the Seawind 1160
galley, but that's the only one so far. The PDQ 44 has a fantastic galley down, but the pricetag for the boat puts it ... out of reach. (She hasn't seen the St. Francis 44's galley down, so I'm hoping that it will help her "see the light".)
I have changed my view about dagger-boards as well. I think both the Outremers and the Catanas have good solutions that I would really enjoy to sail with. The problem is that few production cats have dagger-boards and those that do tend to be more expensive. A Catana
is too expensive and the Outremers are very spartan (and also too expensive unless I get an old one).
Originally Posted by Southern Star
In sum, if you are truly looking for offshore
capability, you may want to re-prioritize your list.
I am working on a re prioritized list. The names on the list is: Outremer
, St. Francis and Manta
. The first two I doubt I can afford, but they are still on my list. The latter two I can afford and I'm gathering all the information I can about them.
I will without a question buy a used boat
, both because of price
, but also because of the equipment
I'll get with it. Like you said, the above mentioned boats should at least have some of the necessary equipment
for a circumnavigation
I agree with your reasoning and won't pass over a cat with a saildrive
if that's the only thing on my list with a small minus.
You have many good reasons that I agree with. I was particularly impressed with the engine
access on the Manta
. Again I'm no longer as rigid when it comes to outside access, because I think inside will work just as well ... in many cases maybe even better. I think it's a point you'll see dropped from my list, as I no longer have a strong preference for either. The key for me now is accessibility. As long as I have good access to all parts
of the engine
, I don't care if I'm inside or outside.
Fractional rig vs. Masthead rig
I hear your points, but I still prefer a fractional rig for performance reasons.
I will never rely on any electrical
winches to do any work for me, so that's not a "failure" or "electrical drain" point to consider.
Thank you for your thoughts and input.