I mentioned all of those points in the "Cons" section.
The MKII was raised and good bridge deck
clearance specifically for that point. I don't have the exact amount, but imagine it's probably about 3 inches less than the typical French boat. The previous version was about 4 or 5 inches less than the Mk II, probably a little shorter than most would want.
As to head
"Head clearance is over 6 ft everywhere except for the aft cabins, where it is about 5 11", again, perfect for kids
and done to reduce the windage and weight". The owners cabin
are the two forward cabins which have over 6 ft of clearance, the aft cabins I would either use as a pantry or for kids
, not adults. We personally will be using the larger forward cabin
as a guest room, the aft cabin we'll redo to be a work area and pantry and the other aft cabin is perfect for our son till he becomes a teenager (13 years from now). But again, it makes it less of an attractive charter
boat and frankly therefore makes it more affordable.
As to births,
As to the size of the births aft, they are a "double" I believe, the next size down from a queen. This is what I had said in the previous message in the cons section Births "aft are more suited for kids than adults, which make them a fine family
cruiser, but not a good charter". Clearance above these births would also make them more suited for kids than adults, especially large adults.
As to number of heads:
"It is a four cabin, four head
model typically, which is unnecessary for a owner oriented boat. Some have made an aft cabin into a pantry which offers amazing storage
, really well done. We plan to do the same with our boat as well. Many families with 3 kids go cruising and everyone has their one cabin and own head and get the boat expressly for this feature".
I'm definitely not trying to oversell the boat, it has it's faults as well as it's benefits (as they all do). What brokers who are also new boat brokers don't often mention is to get large births aft you have to make compromises, you either have to have those births protrude over the bridgedeck which creates an obstruction to any waves over a few inches high or your fatten the entire aft part of the hull
. Ironically, some French boats with the most "clearance" underneath often have these shelves sticking out. I know many delivery
captains who were looking at the specs of their Cats they were delivering and wondering why they actually didn't sail as well as they were spec'd to. Then they looked underneath and saw the way the water
was flowing under the bridge deck and saw the waves caused by the interference
from the aft births. Of course widening the entire hulls creates more wetted area aft and also detracts from performance, often drastically.
I think personally agree with you that I just want a two head boat, so I'm taking my aft heads and converting them to wet lockers and pantry and just keeping the forward heads. Many other cats use the central hulls for heads, which having the engines amidships prevents, so they had to make a design choice. Of the cats in her class, used 44 ft, only the Catana
44, the Outremer
45, the shuttleworth
Advantage 44 would I suspect would be better or equal sailors. Also, of those listed, I would say of the Outremer
, her usable room inside would be significantly less than the St Francis. The Catana
would be superior inside though in terms of layout, but they are probably double the cost of the St Francis. Hence my unscientific choice when I bought ours (which was after living aboard
and cruising another cat for 5 years) that for the performance and for the layout, though it's not best of breed in any of these areas, it was by far the most boat for the money
Also, one factor I refused to compromise on was having good water
tight compartments forward and aft. That alone eliminated more than 3/4s of the boats I was looking at.
Originally Posted by SettingSail2009
This sounds really good.
I've done some checking around and was told that even the St. Francis MkII has a low bridedeck clearance (how high is it?), that there is insufficient headroom
in places, the berths aft are small and it has 4 heads (I really wouldn't want more than 2). I'm very curious what you think about those points.
Is there a place where I can see a drawing of the lay-out? I've looked around, but can't seem to find any.