Catamarans: Price and Size Relation

[nulik]

Hi,
I noted that the bigger the boat is, the higher is its price, so I tryed to confirm it and this is what I have got:
I go to Lepoard website (leopardcatamarans.com) and quote the price for these sizes:

58 foot catamaran, 3 cabins: 1,219,000
48 foot catamaran, 3 cabins: 569,000  
44 foot catamaran, 3 cabins: 449,000
(no motors, equipment or other additional stuff)

So, the price per foot, gives me:

58 - 21,017
48 - 11,854
44 - 10,204

Indeed, 1 foot of 58' catamaran costs 21k and 1 foot of 44' costs only 10k. But this seems to be a contradiction , every time you buy some stuff, the more you buy, the lower the price is, but not when you buy boats ??? How could it be? There must be some error. Please explain, why.

Thanks!!

[valhalla360]

Re-run as square feet or cubic feet.

[aclmck]

It may have something to do with extra volume in hulls, additional structure, thicker and heavier boat per foot like 44 is12 tonne the 58 is 24 tonne this is.272 t/per ft for the 44 and .413 t/per ft for the 58, longer distances to run services etc, that would go some way to explain the extra over between sizes. The 58 also has a full flybridge to add costs etc

[Cotemar]

Think Cubic feet, Not linear Feet.

As catamarans get longer they get wider with more furnishings inside that larger volume.

[nulik]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

Re-run as square feet or cubic feet.

re-ran (values in meters):

 Boat         price         length         width         area         price per sq m                   
58f         1219000         17.55         8.45         148.30         8,220                    
48f         569000         14.76         7.62         112.47         5,059                    
44f         449000         12.98         7.24         93.98         4,778

Prices per square meter result as follows:
58 feet - $8,220
48 feet - $5,059
44 feet - $4,778

Your comments ?

[nulik]

Originally Posted by Cotemar

Thing Square feet, Not linear Feet.

As catamarans get longer they get wider with more furnishings inside that larger volume.

for the price of one 58-feet catamaran you could by two 48-feet catamarans, that doesn't look like furniture increase, that looks like somebody is fooling people.

[aclmck]

Hey Nulik, you forgot to add in the 2nd story on 58 mate and its a bloody huge
floor area???

Seriously though its lots more expensive to even move up just a couple of ft as a builder as every thing gets thicker and stiffer

[snort]

The 58-footer comes with a hot tub and maid service.

[Sand crab]

That 58' boat will have bigger stuff than the 48' boat. Bigger mast, sails, winches, engines, generator, tanks, everything. Bigger sails might be the next step up in thickness of the fabric and that costs more, the rigging will be bigger, the mast will be thicker and wider and so on. They big boats are wider and taller so do the cubic feet (because the big one will usually have more headroom) and then you will see them not so far off but the bigger boat will still be more.

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by nulik

for the price of one 58-feet catamaran you could by two 48-feet catamarans, that doesn't look like furniture increase, that looks like somebody is fooling people.

You’re living in a flat world of pictures and brochures.

Get on a few of these large catamarans and you will see the light....

[StuM]

Boats are not two dimensional. As the length increases, the other dimensions increase in proportion so the volume of the hulls and bridge deck goes up by approximately the cube of the length.

Try going on board a couple. The difference in available space between a 44 ft and a 48ft cat is huge. Increase everything in proportion and a 10% extra length gives you 33% more volume (1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.331)

On that basis, you are getting about 30% extra by going from 44 to 48ft and paying an extra 27% .

And as everything gets bigger, things have to get stronger - not just hull structure, but everything else as well; bigger cross section mast, heavier rigging, larger winches etc, etc.

[nulik]

Originally Posted by aclmck

Hey Nulik, you forgot to add in the 2nd story on 58 mate and its a bloody huge
floor area???

Seriously though its lots more expensive to even move up just a couple of ft as a builder as every thing gets thicker and stiffer

Complexity increases the price because the number of parts increases and you have to assemble them all. Here we don't have an increased number of parts, we just increase the size of each part.
The size increases the weight and thus the force needed to move the parts has to be bigger, but not twice.

Something must be wrong here.

[nulik]

Originally Posted by Cotemar

You’re living in a flat world of pictures and brochures.

Get on a few of these large catamarans and you will see the light....

I prefer to see convincing numbers first. Those who don't calculate well, pay the premium.

[nulik]

Originally Posted by StuM

Boats are not two dimensional. As the length increases, the other dimensions increase in proportion so the volume of the hulls and bridge deck goes up by approximately the cube of the length.

I alredy made the calculations in 2 dimensions, the third dimension is the same , it is the human's hegiht. As for the mast, there is no much increase in materials to justify the doubling of the price.

Try going on board a couple. The difference in available space between a 44 ft and a 48ft cat is huge. Increase everything in proportion and a 10% extra length gives you 33% more volume (1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.331)

I have been on board on a 50 foot and 24 foot yes they are bigger, but the work needed to put build bigger boats and pay for raw materials should not be so expensive

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by nulik

I prefer to see convincing numbers first. Those who don't calculate well, pay the premium.

Just re-run your own linear calculation’s using Cubic Feet.

Make sure to add all three levels of the Leopard 58