Catamarans Lost South Of Equ. Over Past Years

[whosescow]

John T, I would not necessarily limit the search to cats lost in the Southern hemisphere. It could have driftes on winds or currents. Of course, you would know the likelihood of that better than me.
Good luck in your search.

[hellosailor]

"I do have photographs but do not have permission as yet to post them on an open forum."
PERMISSION? REALLY? To publish a photo of a wreck in a public location?

That only makes sense if the wreck is in a military base where there are laws prohibiting all photography. Sorry, guy, this quest just seems oddly put from start to finish. AFAIK there are no copyright or personal identity laws, in or out of the Berne Convention, that in any way restrict publishing a photo of a "public event" like a wreck.

Unless you're on a military base, in which case, they'd have already had that information.

[Davidhoy]

Originally Posted by hellosailor

"I do have photographs but do not have permission as yet to post them on an open forum."
PERMISSION? REALLY? To publish a photo of a wreck in a public location?

That only makes sense if the wreck is in a military base where there are laws prohibiting all photography. Sorry, guy, this quest just seems oddly put from start to finish. AFAIK there are no copyright or personal identity laws, in or out of the Berne Convention, that in any way restrict publishing a photo of a "public event" like a wreck.

Unless you're on a military base, in which case, they'd have already had that information.

If you take your own pictures of the wreckage, you can post them anywhere to your heart's content. If someone else took the pictures, they're his property, and using them without permission, even if not a violation of copyright law, is inappropriate.

What is wrong with you people? All the OP is doing is trying to solve a mystery, and be respectful of others rights in the process. Yet so many are questioning his motives, calling him odd. Get a life!

[Sand crab]

I wanted to help solve the riddle but I am having a hard time making conclusions from the pics. Is the "v" that little strip just a few inches wide. I have seen those before somewhere. I think they might be called struts. At first I thought it might be an Island Spirit because they use foam core now (I don't know about the past) but those struts are more rounded. Nautitech has been using foam core in some or all models for 2 decades or longer and a 2006 Nautitech 40 was lost in the Indian Ocean in 2014. I can't find a really good pic of under the bridge deck but they sure look like they have those triangular struts. The padeye doesn't look right though.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ng-132218.html

[Sand crab]

Could that be Nautitech 40.2?

[atoll]

here are the photos that i thought were most useful for identifying the construction materials used to build the catamaran.

after zooming in on one of the bulkheads i have realised that the core material probably is balsa,rather than foam as i had thought.

also in other photos you can see the backing material,with regular dots to allow resin to bleed through,and for alignment this would not be present in foam sheets.

in another photo there is evidence of what looks like nidacore pvc honeycomb core.

there is also the aprox 15-20cm V shaped strut centrally located on the underside of the bridge deck.

apart from that the bridge deck looks like the outer surface was laid up inside a mold,then had progressive layers of laminate ,core then laminate laid up which would indicate a production cat rather than a one off custom build..

[JohnT]

Thanks for the replies!

Firstly, Sand Crab, the "V" section is hardly visible under the wreckage. I have tried to enlarge and lighten the photograph showing it, but I am no wiz doing such things - here is my attempt.

Also, that cat you mentioned appears to have been lost in the Red Sea off the coast of Sudan. I will attempt to get further information about that one also in the week ahead, but I doubt any wreckage would have escaped the Red Sea - but we never know!

I have had a number of PM's from folk and have been pointed to another cat that was capsized off the South African coast a few years back and have been told that the anti-fouling was red. It happened on June 15, 2011. I have been given the names of the rescue crew that saved the four crew on board and will try and get more information on this incident during this coming week.

I have also been in touch with Richard Woods regarding his designes, but he has simply replied that he doubts it was one of his designs. However, I have seen one of his Sagitta designs that had the trampoline track affixed to the front of the bridge-deck as shown in the photographs and also which had rounded internal doors. I will be popping into the RCYC this week and will go and check the construction of the different cats.

Atoll, your comments are appreciated and the thought that the core could be balsa is along what I originally thought. Some of it has been saturated and expanded and rotted. I will be speaking to a builder this week and will take the photographs with to se what he has to say or his thoughts on balsa / foam.

Once again, thanks for those of you that have some constructive input into the puzzle. Let's see who else can add something to help solve the riddle or puzzle. As I get off forum information, I will post it here for those interested.

John

[chris95040]

Originally Posted by danielamartindm

Blah blah blah blah blah

After completely misunderstanding the purpose of the guy’s thread, you pivoted to criticizing him for posing a question. Nice contributions! [emoji106]

[chris95040]

Originally Posted by hellosailor

"I do have photographs but do not have permission as yet to post them on an open forum."

PERMISSION? REALLY? To publish a photo of a wreck in a public location?



That only makes sense if the wreck is in a military base where there are laws prohibiting all photography. Sorry, guy, this quest just seems oddly put from start to finish. AFAIK there are no copyright or personal identity laws, in or out of the Berne Convention, that in any way restrict publishing a photo of a "public event" like a wreck.



Unless you're on a military base, in which case, they'd have already had that information.

He doesn’t own the photographs. Jesus.

[Sand crab]

I was womdering how a boat could get from the Sudan to the Atlantic also. I think it does look more like the Woods than the Nautitech.


Atoll, could those resin dots also occur from perforated foam? Divinycell is that color. It just seems unusual to me to construct a boat with Nidacore and balsa.
Just wondering....

[atoll]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

I was womdering how a boat could get from the Sudan to the Atlantic also. I think it does look more like the Woods than the Nautitech.


Atoll, could those resin dots also occur from perforated foam? Divinycell is that color. It just seems unusual to me to construct a boat with Nidacore and balsa.
Just wondering....

quite possibly,but as far as i know the backing sheet is glued on one side to the small end grain balsa blocks so that it is flexible and can be laid onto a curved surface,as well as holding the balsa together in a sheet.

with foam you would not need a backing sheet to hold it together if slots have been partially cut into the surface to accept a curve.

[AJ_n_Audrey]

Originally Posted by Davidhoy

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This!

I am totally baffled by the response of some people on this thread. The OP was being respectful of the intellectual property of the photographer by getting his permission before posting the pictures - why is that considered evasive? And suggesting ulterior motives is just as baffling. Get a grip people!

Exactly!

[captlloyd]

Originally Posted by Davidhoy

If you take your own pictures of the wreckage, you can post them anywhere to your heart's content. If someone else took the pictures, they're his property, and using them without permission, even if not a violation of copyright law, is inappropriate.

What is wrong with you people? All the OP is doing is trying to solve a mystery, and be respectful of others rights in the process. Yet so many are questioning his motives, calling him odd. Get a life!

Absolutely, with the OP having a join date of 2008 and over 250 posts I would hardly infer he is some kind of troll.

[Mike Banks]

This looks like the sort of damage one might sustain from being run over by a cargo vessel at full speed. The clean curved slice to the hull looks like the sort of damage a large screw might do. If that is the case--the people aboard had no chance.

However, vessels also get damaged on reefs--but this does not look like the sort of minced-up look that waves dragging glass composite and plastic to and fro over coral or rocks might produce. It looks too clean edged.


As for persons missing at sea over the last couple of years or so--the barnacles on this debris are not too badly encrusted and still quite small, so I do not think it has been in the ocean longer than a couple of years.

Three guys were sailing a Yacht to Phuket and never turned up--it was a Moorings I think, and a hull was spotted upturned, but has since disappeared.

[JohnT]

Mike, thanks for your thoughts. This is definitely not Moorings A5130, the Leopard 44 you mention. The boat shown above has round topped internal doorways and a strange trampoline fixture method, very different to how R&C construct their cats.