Catamarans - Current Market Situation

[Dragon Lady]

There's an FP Tobago listed in Greece for that sort of money, it's been on the market for a while so it may be the bargain you are looking for.
Good cats in that price range that are genuine blue water capable are in big demand for obvious reasons.
Hope you find what you are looking for, strongly advise you consider spending a bit more to get a good boat as the costs of fixing up a bad boat will sink your dreams.
Good boats cost enough to run as it is.

[timbenner]

Just did an estimate of the value of my 2002 Lagoon 380, Owner's Version and found them to be 20% low on price. When I say 20% low, I'm basing that on sales that I know of.

However, I think that there is a simple reason why they are low on their estimated value. They don't ask for engine hours or whether the boat is an ex-charter boat or pampered, low hours owner boat. In their eyes, 400 engine hours is the same as 10,000 engine hours, because they don't even ask. Garbage in, garbage out.

Isn't that like saying that there is no difference between marrying a road hard crack whore versus a Sunday School teacher, that's a health fanatic??

[D&D]

Originally Posted by timbenner

difference between marrying a road hard crack whore versus a Sunday School teacher, that's a health fanatic

Ah Tim, you are clearly a man gifted in the use of colourful phrase!

[welshdiver]

Yeh will do, & fingers crossed there are some out & will be there when we get to the gd "USA" from what i have been informed by a sales man i know we should do ok for 100 to 115k

[D&D]

Each to his/her own, but we'd very strongly recommend the use of a professional surveyor, including thermographic imaging that will reveal hidden damage. We heard several first-hand accounts of vessels badly damaged and then superfically repaired to become visually 'perfect' when in fact serious structural issues were present.

[Dragon Lady]

Just remember your leverage is quite small when the vendor knows you have flown a long way to look at the boat.
You have possibly more to loose by walking away at that stage.
Good luck.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by Dragon Lady

Just remember your leverage is quite small when the vendor knows you have flown a long way to look at the boat.
You have possibly more to loose by walking away at that stage.
Good luck.

I'm not sure of that.

It shows your serious, but if your not afraid to walk away, AND let the vendor understand that you will if he/she is unreasonable, that gives you a fair amount of stroke.

Let's face, the cost of a flight is a very, very small percentage of most boat purchases.

[Dragon Lady]

Yeah, maybe but I prefer to haggle on price before I arrive.
If the market is genuinely flooded with stock you'll be fine, but buying a good blue water cat for $100K is a challenge IMHO.

[VirtualVagabond]

Originally Posted by Dragon Lady

Just remember your leverage is quite small when the vendor knows you have flown a long way to look at the boat.
You have possibly more to loose by walking away at that stage.
Good luck.

You'd have to make sure they realise you've come over with enough cash to buy a boat, and that you have a short list you're inspecting, plus any others that crop up while you're there.
They must know that you are going to buy a boat, if not theirs it will be someone else's.

[Dragon Lady]

Brinkmanship is wonderful game to play, silence is the most powerful tactic you can play from both sides of the deal.

[VirtualVagabond]

Originally Posted by Dragon Lady

Brinkmanship is wonderful game to play, silence is the most powerful tactic you can play from both sides of the deal.

Many years ago I had to do a selling course. It was on a series of tapes from the US.
The only thing I remember is... "once all the facts are on the table, SHUT UP! The one who speaks first loses..."

Used it for some years too!

[dirkdig]

Ahh the power of the silent pause!
I use it daily

[Dragon Lady]

Originally Posted by welshdiver

Yeh will do, & fingers crossed there are some out & will be there when we get to the gd "USA" from what i have been informed by a sales man i know we should do ok for 100 to 115k

I think your man may be correct!
Looking at Yachtworld shows a couple of older but good designs going in that range, though the med looks like having the best prices especially for French boats.
If you want a blue water boat do not compromise on bridge deck clearance, what ever you do.
My boat slams very occasionally, it must be terrible if it's happening all the time.

[DtM]

DL,

As a matter of interest, and unrelated to this thread at all, how much of the delivery from the Carribean did you do and what was the route?

daniel

[Dragon Lady]

I must confess I only did the last leg from Noumea to Bundaberg.
The boat went St Martin, Panama, Galapagos, Marquarsas, Noumea, Bundaberg