'Catamaran for Sale' Scam

catman · 06-07-2009, 22:00

Under the topic "BEWARE IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD"

I saw an ad on sailboat.com for a 41' Lagoon for $200,000.
I emailed the seller.
He replied and stated that he was in Indonesia.
I asked for specs and pics.
His name was Ferry Ramos and he said that he received the catamaran as a wedding present from his father who died last year and so he was selling the cat.
He told me that a shipping company call Jurung Express shipped the boat to him.
I contacted the shipping company through a web site he gave me and asked for a quote to ship the same catamaran to Vancouver Island.
$5,500US.
Ferry wanted me to give him a 10% deposit once the shipping bill of lading was aquired.
I asked many question of Ferry about the catamaran and whether there were hotels to stay at when I come down to see it.
He would only answer about 10% of the ??.
I have been looking at a lot of catamaran web sites and pics of catamarans for sale.
Then one day I was looking at the pics that he sent me and started to think that the background buildings at the marina where the cat was supposed to be moored in Sabang Aceh was vaguely familiar.
I went back over all the earmarked listings that I had.
The pics were from a reputable US cat broker.
Ferry had stolen the pics from someone elses web sight and was trying to sell a cat that did not really exist.
I called him on it and he never responded.
I truly believe the shipping company website jurungexpress.com is also his creation.
Still searching...Catman

talus · 06-07-2009, 22:39

Interesting...the scam is on the shipping side. The fraudsters get more inventive every day.

MarkJ · 06-07-2009, 22:58

well spotted!

Herbseesmoore · 07-07-2009, 13:37

Yep this ruse has been around awhile, unbeleivable price on a Lagoon 380, listing the location as various places, Ca, DC when contact is made you find out the boat is on a lake in Indonesia.

slomotion · 07-07-2009, 14:24

jurungexpress.com resolves to an IP address (67.228.217.224) that originally comes from an outfit called Softlayer Technologies, a Texas based service provider. Typical whois information for jurungexpress.com is concealed by an outfit called privacyprotect.org.

However, the domain name was only registered on March 19, 2009. The site design seems to be more or less the same as bataviacargo.com and indojavacargo.com.

catman · 07-07-2009, 16:05

Thanks, slomotion.
Amazing how you are able to dig that sort of information up on a web site.
That cat sure had my hopes up though.
Cheers

06-07-2009, 22:00	#1
catman Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sidney, B.C, Canada Boat: want a 40'+ high volume (comfort) economical cruising catamaran Posts: 15	'Catamaran for Sale' Scam Under the topic "BEWARE IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD" I saw an ad on sailboat.com for a 41' Lagoon for $200,000. I emailed the seller. He replied and stated that he was in Indonesia. I asked for specs and pics. His name was Ferry Ramos and he said that he received the catamaran as a wedding present from his father who died last year and so he was selling the cat. He told me that a shipping company call Jurung Express shipped the boat to him. I contacted the shipping company through a web site he gave me and asked for a quote to ship the same catamaran to Vancouver Island. $5,500US. Ferry wanted me to give him a 10% deposit once the shipping bill of lading was aquired. I asked many question of Ferry about the catamaran and whether there were hotels to stay at when I come down to see it. He would only answer about 10% of the ??. I have been looking at a lot of catamaran web sites and pics of catamarans for sale. Then one day I was looking at the pics that he sent me and started to think that the background buildings at the marina where the cat was supposed to be moored in Sabang Aceh was vaguely familiar. I went back over all the earmarked listings that I had. The pics were from a reputable US cat broker. Ferry had stolen the pics from someone elses web sight and was trying to sell a cat that did not really exist. I called him on it and he never responded. I truly believe the shipping company website jurungexpress.com is also his creation. Still searching...Catman

06-07-2009, 22:58	#3
MarkJ Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Asia - on Sea Life Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life" Posts: 2,931 Images: 6	well spotted! __________________ Malaysia... near Singapore If you are going up G.O.A 2010 PM me. OurLifeAtSea.com

07-07-2009, 13:37	#4
Herbseesmoore Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ocala, Fl Boat: Shopping for the escape Posts: 100 Images: 7	Yep this ruse has been around awhile, unbeleivable price on a Lagoon 380, listing the location as various places, Ca, DC when contact is made you find out the boat is on a lake in Indonesia. __________________ Herbster "I dip and I surge and I swing in the rip of the racing tide." R Kipling

07-07-2009, 14:24	#5
slomotion Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lakeland, FL Posts: 865	jurungexpress.com resolves to an IP address (67.228.217.224) that originally comes from an outfit called Softlayer Technologies, a Texas based service provider. Typical whois information for jurungexpress.com is concealed by an outfit called privacyprotect.org. However, the domain name was only registered on March 19, 2009. The site design seems to be more or less the same as bataviacargo.com and indojavacargo.com. __________________ "There's nothing . . . absolutely nothing . . . half so much worth doing as simply messing around in boats." Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows (River Rat to Mole)

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06-07-2009, 22:39	#2
talus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: WCVI Boat: Edel 665 (makes it sound HUGE), and Ericson 32T (when we can). Posts: 65	Interesting...the scam is on the shipping side. The fraudsters get more inventive every day.

07-07-2009, 16:05	#6
catman Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sidney, B.C, Canada Boat: want a 40'+ high volume (comfort) economical cruising catamaran Posts: 15	Thanks, slomotion. Amazing how you are able to dig that sort of information up on a web site. That cat sure had my hopes up though. Cheers

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