Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 27-02-2016, 00:48   #106
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 256
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Calling me dumb or stupid is not very persuasive. If there's one thing I have learned, it is people will believe what they want to believe, and facts and common sense be damned. You're entitled to your opinion; I don't dispute that. Please permit me mine.

Good night.

Paul, determined to avoid catamaran "discussions" in the future.
__________________

Paul J. Nolan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-02-2016, 00:56   #107
Senior Cruiser
 
Jim Cate's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 12,171
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul J. Nolan View Post
Calling me dumb or stupid is not very persuasive. If there's one thing I have learned, it is people will believe what they want to believe, and facts and common sense be damned. You're entitled to your opinion; I don't dispute that. Please permit me mine.

Good night.

Paul, determined to avoid catamaran "discussions" in the future.
Paul, you are indeed entitled to your opinions, and on any subject. However, espousing the opinions you present in this thread undermines our ability to respect them, on this subject or any other.

I'd sure feel better about what you said if you, or any of us, knew ANY of the facts involved in this event. As it is, you are condemning folks and the vessel without really knowing anything beyond the rescue of two men clinging to the hulls of an overturned catamaran. Pretty hard to judge the seaworthyness of the vessel or the competence of the sailors from that.

Your passionate statements may feel good to you, but not to most of us.

Jim
__________________

__________________
Jim and Ann s/v Insatiable II , lying Pittwater, NSW fora while.
Jim Cate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-02-2016, 01:08   #108
Moderator
 
JPA Cate's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 12,277
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage Gecko View Post
Do we actually know what the boat involved is and if they were coming or going and why they tried the bar at that particular time of night as I can not find much on the net.
Hi Mirage Gecko,

You're right, we do not know their route, but the time of the try, other than after dark, was okay with the tide. We do not know anything about what they tried to find out in advance, and, indeed, not much other than that they were respected racers. If they trusted the light on Fraser Is. it is understandable what happened to them. The light was set up over 20 yrs. ago, and does not accurately indicate the course any more.

Way sad.

Ann
__________________
Who scorns the calm has forgotten the storm.
JPA Cate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-02-2016, 01:33   #109
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Hervey bay Queensland Aust
Boat: Simpson Mk2 12metre Cat
Posts: 16
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

There have neen warnings all all week .quote do not attempt to cross any bars. What were they thinking!
paul k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-02-2016, 01:42   #110
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Sydney
Boat: Lagoon 400
Posts: 1,313
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul J. Nolan View Post
Calling me dumb or stupid is not very persuasive. If there's one thing I have learned, it is people will believe what they want to believe, and facts and common sense be damned. You're entitled to your opinion; I don't dispute that. Please permit me mine.

Good night.

Paul, determined to avoid catamaran "discussions" in the future.
here you go, educate your own breed instead, will be more productive:

One man killed, another severely injured in yacht crash during race in Pittwater - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
arsenelupiga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-02-2016, 02:33   #111
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Brisbane, Qld, Australia
Boat: Fastback 43 catamaran
Posts: 192
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Dreadfull when this sort of thing happens. I hope we find out what went wrong so we can learn from their disaster.

Sent from my D6653 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
Sardean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-02-2016, 02:54   #112
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 21,905
Images: 2
pirate Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Much ado about NOTHING....
An open bridgedeck cat flipped... big bludi deal... they flip all the time.. its the nature of the beast.. and the nature of man to push his limits..
No one died.. or was even injured come to think of it yet Off We Bludi go..
And.. guess what.. its the same old codgers at it again.. and folks give me a bad time...
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-02-2016, 03:18   #113
Marine Service Provider
 
Factor's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Boat: Corsair Dash MKII
Posts: 4,214
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

I got 10 bucks says it will be sailing again soon as well.
Factor is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 27-02-2016, 03:24   #114
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 7,239
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
Much ado about NOTHING....
An open bridgedeck cat flipped... big bludi deal... they flip all the time.. its the nature of the beast.. and the nature of man to push his limits..
No one died.. or was even injured come to think of it yet Off We Bludi go..
And.. guess what.. its the same old codgers at it again.. and folks give me a bad time...
IIRC, they flipped that boat at Airlie Beach last year as well.

Edit: Just checked and it was another green cat: Cool Change.
StuM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-02-2016, 13:55   #115
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Various, Mooloolaba and Auckland
Boat: Clipper 60 SII
Posts: 99
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Excellent summary from 2wind. I have also crossed the Wide Bay Bar many times as skipper (twice this year in a Caribbean 26 power boat) and agree 100% with the comments. A three meter swell would be at the absolute peak of my daytime crossing (without much wind) and way above anything I would try at night.
Note that if you what to have a look at the swell for Maloolooba this is the link: https://www.qld.gov.au/environment/c...es/mooloolaba/
Kiwi. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-02-2016, 13:56   #116
Registered User
 
Red Herring's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Victoria BC
Posts: 216
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul J. Nolan View Post
Some discussion this turned out to be. Look, a man wants a boat that is modeled after his shoreside condominium, fine by me. That's his choice. Then he takes that unseaworthy vessel offshore or into dangerous waters. Well, that's his choice too. But don't expect my sympathy when a bad practice results in a bad outcome.

Paul
I must have missed some of the info here, I didn't see what type of boat it was. Could you elaborate, or are you speculating?
Red Herring is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-02-2016, 14:10   #117
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 21,905
Images: 2
pirate Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
I must have missed some of the info here, I didn't see what type of boat it was. Could you elaborate, or are you speculating?
Open bridgedeck speed cat
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-02-2016, 14:39   #118
Registered User
 
Red Herring's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Victoria BC
Posts: 216
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
Open bridgedeck speed cat

Ah, yes. One of those infamous Condomarans.
Red Herring is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-02-2016, 21:20   #119
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Sydney
Boat: Lagoon 400
Posts: 1,313
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
Ah, yes. One of those infamous Condomarans.
yes one of these SSS : SPEED, STYLE, SPACE that make mono guys incredibly angry as evident from countless posts.

It gets real ugly when wife/girlfriend compliment SSS....
arsenelupiga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-02-2016, 21:53   #120
Registered User
 
GoingWalkabout's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: USA & Argentina
Boat: In the market for a Lagoon 56 (seems like the perfect fit)
Posts: 1,478
Re: Catamaran flips in Rough Seas - Fraser Island

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
Open bridgedeck speed cat
A larger version of a hobby cat that I used to race and flip all the time on Sydney Harbour when I was way much younger. Can't be compared at all to the usual home away from home heavy cats that sit much deeper in the water and have much better heavy weight stability then these racing cat things.
__________________

GoingWalkabout is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
catamaran

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cruise Ship hits rough seas tuffr2 General Sailing Forum 36 13-02-2016 05:36
How much handicap is 50' Monohull 2 Mtr Draft, in GBR Fraser Island to Whitsundays? Helia 44 Monohull Sailboats 36 11-12-2015 15:24
Back to the Mother Ship in Rough Seas nimblemotors Auxiliary Equipment & Dinghy 27 06-04-2013 11:39
Mono vs Multihull Comfort in Rough Seas Zatara Monohull Sailboats 10 29-06-2010 17:49
Broken Steering 'Rope' in Rough Seas Meck Construction, Maintenance & Refit 3 22-09-2009 12:11



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:37.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.