Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 21-11-2011, 12:59   #76
Ram
Registered User
 
Ram's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cruising Greece
Boat: Cat in the med & Trawler in Florida
Posts: 2,298
Images: 27
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat View Post
Then there's the Queen's Birthday storm. No cat's flipped, but several mono's rolled repeatedly, and one sank with the loss of 3 lives. Draw your own conclusions.
44 Cruising cat-- it’s hard to argue with those facts, but as a current Mono owner for decades and 5 year Cat owner –for me personally the Cat is the way to go and I believe is more and more the way of the future in boating–-
__________________

__________________
Ram is offline  
Old 21-11-2011, 13:08   #77
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,313
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

Want more?

Mills Race 2009; one multis, over, no mono sunk
Mac Race 2007; 3 multis, over, no monos sunk
Trans Erie 2008; one over, no monos sunk.
Mac Double Handed 2004; two multis over/two dead, no monos sunk
Ontario 200 2006; one multi over, no monos sunk.


Quote:
Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat View Post
Then there's the Queen's Birthday storm. No cat's flipped, but several mono's rolled repeatedly, and one sank with the loss of 3 lives. Draw your own conclusions.
__________________

__________________
Joli is offline  
Old 21-11-2011, 13:09   #78
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,313
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

Ram, you get to sail whatever you like, no doubt.

Just hate hearing sales people sell the sizzle.
__________________
Joli is offline  
Old 21-11-2011, 13:28   #79
Senior Cruiser
 
delmarrey's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Now in Blaine, WA
Boat: Modified Choate 40
Posts: 10,702
Images: 122
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

Monohull vs Catamaran?
Here are the facts!

A professional delivery Captain's opinion >>> Monohull or Catamaran-what's right for you? Bay Yacht Agency Page Bay Yacht Agency Group.
__________________
Faithful are the Wounds of a Friend, but the Kisses of the Enemy are Deceitful! ........
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves!

Unprepared boaters, end up as floatsum!.......
delmarrey is offline  
Old 21-11-2011, 13:29   #80
Senior Cruiser
 
44'cruisingcat's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,454
Images: 69
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joli View Post
Want more?

Mills Race 2009; one multis, over, no mono sunk
Mac Race 2007; 3 multis, over, no monos sunk
Trans Erie 2008; one over, no monos sunk.
Mac Double Handed 2004; two multis over/two dead, no monos sunk
Ontario 200 2006; one multi over, no monos sunk.
If you're willing to take the time to search for statistics to support an argument you inevitably will.

But these are all races. Nobody has ever argued that multihulls, sailed "on the edge" as they are in races, won't capsize.

In a cruising situation, I can say I've seen NO upside-down cats, but just this year on the Qld coast I've seen 3 sunken monohulls, and read about another in notices to mariners.
__________________
44'cruisingcat is offline  
Old 21-11-2011, 13:32   #81
smj
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2007
Boat: Searunner 38 catamaran
Posts: 3,654
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joli View Post
Want more?

Mills Race 2009; one multis, over, no mono sunk
Mac Race 2007; 3 multis, over, no monos sunk
Trans Erie 2008; one over, no monos sunk.
Mac Double Handed 2004; two multis over/two dead, no monos sunk
Ontario 200 2006; one multi over, no monos sunk.
Being that we are on a cruisers forum I don't think race results have anything to do with the seaworthiness of a cruising cat. The stats 44c came up with relates to this conversation. These were cruisers crossing the Pacific, both mono and multi that ran into a heavy storm and according to those results the catamaran was vastly more seaworthy. The catamaran that flipped in Galveston Bay does not resemble a cruising cat in the least.
__________________
smj is online now  
Old 21-11-2011, 13:52   #82
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Duluth,Minnesota
Boat: Lindenberg 26 & Aloha 8.2
Posts: 984
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

I owned a Mac 36 ,they bear little resemblance to a cruising cat, they are basically a beach cat on steroids and are very,very fast, that said a guy by the name of Hal Andersen cruised one solo down thru the carribean to venezuela,back to Florida and then across the north Atlantic to Ireland enduring some nasty weather and being hit by a fishing trawler taking a foot or so off the port bow,and then sailing the last 500 miles unaided, clearly well sailed but also a suprisingly tough little boat. There was a guy doing day charter with 2 of them on Galverston Bay a few years ago,they were CG licensed for 16 passengers plus crew and still sailed fast by his account.
Steve.
__________________
clockwork orange is offline  
Old 21-11-2011, 13:59   #83
Registered User
 
callistov42's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Seabrook, Texas
Boat: Vagabond 42
Posts: 169
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

But yesterday was still, hazy/foggy and very little wind on Galveston Bay! There were no storms and no high winds at all. Something doesn't make sense here!
__________________
callistov42 is offline  
Old 21-11-2011, 14:07   #84
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: UK/Portugal
Posts: 20,210
Images: 2
Send a message via Skype™ to boatman61
pirate Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by clockwork orange View Post
I owned a Mac 36 ,they bear little resemblance to a cruising cat, they are basically a beach cat on steroids and are very,very fast, that said a guy by the name of Hal Andersen cruised one solo down thru the carribean to venezuela,back to Florida and then across the north Atlantic to Ireland enduring some nasty weather and being hit by a fishing trawler taking a foot or so off the port bow,and then sailing the last 500 miles unaided, clearly well sailed but also a suprisingly tough little boat. There was a guy doing day charter with 2 of them on Galverston Bay a few years ago,they were CG licensed for 16 passengers plus crew and still sailed fast by his account.
Steve.
Very true... and he had a neat deckpod on it as well... ran into him in the Med in the 90's at Agua Dulce, Spain where he tried talking me into a straight swap for my Carter 30..... One of the beams was failing... I said no thanks... did like the boat tho'...
We crossed paths again a few months later in the Faro Lagoon (Portugal) when I was taking a boat back to the UK... he blagged me into buying his book...
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is online now  
Old 21-11-2011, 14:09   #85
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

I was out on West Bay that day - winds gusting to near 20. We had a reefed main and headsail most of the day. We had a good day of sailing, but I could see how it could have gotten out of hand if we had been fully sheeted.
__________________
MikeThibodeaux is offline  
Old 21-11-2011, 14:11   #86
Marine Service Provider
 
Factor's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Boat: Corsair Dash MKII
Posts: 4,084
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joli View Post
Want more?

Mills Race 2009; one multis, over, no mono sunk
Mac Race 2007; 3 multis, over, no monos sunk
Trans Erie 2008; one over, no monos sunk.
Mac Double Handed 2004; two multis over/two dead, no monos sunk
Ontario 200 2006; one multi over, no monos sunk.
Had a look at the top of the page and yep - this is still the cruisers forum. As others have said, when considering safety issues and capsize propensity race results are pointless.

And for those who aren't familiar with the MAC 36 here is another photo
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	76bro7a.jpg
Views:	149
Size:	62.7 KB
ID:	33884  
__________________
Factor is online now  
Old 21-11-2011, 14:25   #87
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,313
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

How about the Prout that capsized at anchor earlier this year or the Atlantic 57 or the Atlantic 42 or the FP 35 or this boat in Galvaston Bay...

Race result are simply indicators of the result we can expect to see in the future. As more and more multis are built and sold we'll see more capsizes.

Around here we are friendly to multi's, we let them come play in our regattas and happily "pluck the crews out of the water" when required. Obviously that is not the case in your area, witness QCYC, CYCA or RYCT.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Factor View Post
Had a look at the top of the page and yep - this is still the cruisers forum. As others have said, when considering safety issues and capsize propensity race results are pointless.
__________________
Joli is offline  
Old 21-11-2011, 14:35   #88
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,313
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

I guess that is why we we don't see things the same way. I've seen dozens of multi's upside down and no sunken monos. Maybe the folks here take better care of systems below the waterline because we have a season that requires annual haul outs. We have time to service and maintain seacocks and hoses.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat View Post
I've seen NO upside-down cats, but just this year on the Qld coast I've seen 3 sunken monohulls, and read about another in notices to mariners.
__________________
Joli is offline  
Old 21-11-2011, 14:35   #89
Registered User
 
webejammin's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Pacific NW, sailing the Columbia River, USA
Boat: Gemini 105MC 34 ft hull#753
Posts: 951
Images: 3
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

In the pic of the overturned beach cat they were in very shallow water and they had there centerboards down that hit the bottom or sand bar and flppped.
__________________
Wind in my hair and a nice catamaran
Phil & Elaine
webejammin is offline  
Old 21-11-2011, 14:38   #90
Senior Cruiser
 
44'cruisingcat's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,454
Images: 69
Re: Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joli View Post
I guess that is why we we don't see things the same way. I've seen dozens of multi's upside down and no sunken monos. Maybe the folks here take better care of systems below the waterline because we have a season that requires annual haul outs. We have time to service and maintain seacocks and hoses.
And maybe you're in deeper water.
__________________

__________________
44'cruisingcat is offline  
Closed Thread

Tags
catamaran

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Thinking of Buying a Sailing Catamaran ? Some Thoughts . . . papagena Multihull Sailboats 12 23-12-2011 11:21
Anchor Lights - Is it a Law ? landonshaw Anchoring & Mooring 119 11-11-2011 13:14
Three Dead After Boat Capsizes off Batemans Bay IslandHopper Cruising News & Events 5 01-10-2011 05:43
Alabama, with a Banjo on My Knee . . . Stede Our Community 24 11-08-2011 16:38
Looking for dock space on Narragansett Bay for a catamaran crewofnoka Marinas 0 06-07-2011 05:56



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 19:18.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.