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Old 17-07-2014, 14:57   #91
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Re: Catamaran Buying option 50"

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Crab a catamaran sideways to a dock

At some point you may need to dock the cat alongside at some point to take on water, fuel and groceries.

Get the fenders and docking lines rigged early and make sure your crew understands their jobs.

Try to approach the dock from the leeward side and with your bow as close to the wind direction as possible. You can make the cat crab sideways with the engines and rudders; put the outside engine in slow forward and the inside engine in slow reverse and turn the rudders slightly away from the dock. The boat will move sideways and you can adjust the forward motion and angle of the motion by adjusting thrust on the engines and the rudder angles.
I think you have the rudders the wrong way round in your images.
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Old 17-07-2014, 19:52   #92
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NASA's Mars Exploration Rover is remotely controled since 2005 and still works. There's nothing to be afraid of.

If you want to play with remote control boats do it in a pond where you can't harm anyone else's property.


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Old 17-07-2014, 20:15   #93
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Or go sailing on Hellas Planitia, but you may get interference from the Rover.
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I do not think that any of these people have a problem with interference.
we live in the 21st century.
if you do control for $ 10 it probably will not be trustworthy.
but for $ 100 will be good enough and 99.9% safe.
And leave the rest of the insurance company
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Old 18-07-2014, 05:17   #95
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ing I do not think that any of these people have a problem with interference.

we live in the 21st century.

if you do control for $ 10 it probably will not be trustworthy.

but for $ 100 will be good enough and 99.9% safe.

And leave the rest of the insurance company

I'm worried about the .1%. Had a friend who was sailing through an anchorage using his autopilot remote. Guess what? It broke at the wrong time. Sure the insurance company paid for the damage but all that means is we pay higher rates for someone else's ignorance.


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More damage cause a novice sailor with bad visibility, than with remote control and good visibility.
If you are an experienced and well-feeling dimensions of the boat you have no problems. But think of the less experienced than you.
Maneuvering with the joystick is becoming more and more popular, and one day will be the standard for boats over 30 feet.
You can always find arguments against progress, but it does not stop it.
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Old 18-07-2014, 06:45   #97
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I think you have the rudders the wrong way round in your images.
Corrected. Thanks
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How to Dock a Catamaran Tips

1) For beginners, the first trick is learning to forget the wheel and leave the rudders in a neutral position.

2) The second trick is using the thumb method when placing your hands on the forward/reverse shifter levers.

With your thumbs extended outward, push the left shifter forward notice that your thumb shows you the bow will go to the right.

With your thumbs extended outward, pull the left shifter back into reverse and notice that your thumb shows you your stern will go to the right. This method works the same for the right shifter.

3) The third trick is when backing up, you turn your body to face the stern and use the forward/reverse shifter levers the same way and the thumb method still works to show you what will move in what direction
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Re: Catamaran Buying option 50"

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3) The third trick is when backing up, you turn your body to face the stern and use the forward/reverse shifter levers the same way and the thumb method still works to show you what will move in what direction
Do you crawl up on the coachroof to do this? If I turn my body to face aft, I wouldn't be able to reach the controls.

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Do you crawl up on the coachroof to do this? If I turn my body to face aft, I wouldn't be able to reach the controls.

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This method does not work for every boat. Works for my Mahe 36 as I turn around and us my butt to stop the wheel from turning and reach over to one side to use the forward/reverse-throttle shifter levers.

This method works even better on the FP Helia 44 and new FP Saba 50.

3) The third trick is when backing up you turn your body to face the stern and use the forward/reverse shifter levers the same way and the thumb method still works to show you what will move in what direction
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More damage cause a novice sailor with bad visibility, than with remote control and good visibility.

If you are an experienced and well-feeling dimensions of the boat you have no problems. But think of the less experienced than you.

Maneuvering with the joystick is becoming more and more popular, and one day will be the standard for boats over 30 feet.

You can always find arguments against progress, but it does not stop it.

Drinking while driving causes more accidents than texting while driving, but does that mean texting while driving is a good idea? It's a toy and in my opinion not progress. If the boat is so large you have to control it with a remote then I say the boat is to large for you. Better to buy a smaller boat.


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It's a toy and in my opinion not progress. If the boat is so large you have to control it with a remote then I say the boat is to large for you. Better to buy a smaller boat.
My boat is not too big for me.
I can dock my boat, very precisely, without the help of others.
I can jump down to the quays to wrap moorings and still have control over the yacht.
You say it's a toy.
And I saw this toy on the 150 passenger ferry

I also met a lone sailor without legs, on a standard 35 'boat.
* This toy gives him independence

Maybe someday we'll do competition in a narrow and windy harbor, without fenders,
and assistance to, say, 50 times each of us. And then count the scratches on the sides.
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Re: Catamaran Buying option 50"

Check out the Antares 44i Awesome Vessel and be sure to check out the boat designers blog... Some really straightforward and honest info.. LiveAntares.com
Good luck in your search!


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Re: Catamaran Buying option 50"

You may also want to check out the Neel line of trimarans. They have a 45 and a new 65 Foot line.

I can say from personal experience that the are faster than lagoons, FPs, and leopards. I can't comment on Catanas or outremer comparisons.

The helm is fun and responsive, and the sail plan is very manageable.

In the OPs price range you could get a nicely customized version. Here is the 45.

Hull 1 of the 65 should be done in a few months. Eric Bruneel (the builder) is very responsive and extremely knowledgeable and thoughtfull of the details.

Good luck!
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My boat is not too big for me.
I can dock my boat, very precisely, without the help of others.
I can jump down to the quays to wrap moorings and still have control over the yacht.
You say it's a toy.
And I saw this toy on the 150 passenger ferry

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OK show us the toy
My controls are purely mechanic (Volvo Penta cable shifter) - how do you put the solenoids on these?
I would love to be able to control the engines remotely from the bow when docking, but this would need precision (and you do not hear the RPMs of the engines).
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