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Old 11-06-2009, 10:02   #16
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If I was going to plan to keep the boat in that location for a while, I would make absolutely sure that suitable changes were made to the boat. First and foremost would be a significant increase in the depth of insulation all around the boat and on the floor and roof. I would also make sure I could fit some form of secondary glazing to reduce the condensation. That will make the cost of heating reduce and also increase the effectiveness.

You then need to look at the ability to operate the boat from inside the cabin, or at least from a well protected steering position, and to have some form of heat available to keep the helm thawed!

Your boat would need fresh water cooled so that you could keep lots of antifreeze in the system.

Personally I reckon it would end up cheaper to do this to a new hull.

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Old 11-06-2009, 11:44   #17
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I own a Chris White Atlantic 42. We've been out 4 years full time and done a trans-pacific crossing. First 2+ with a ULD 40' mono then a 36 PDQ extended to 39' then the Chris White Atlantic 42 which was our dream boat and now our reality. We got the A-42 for way less than we expected, so if you are truly ready to buy (i.e jump on a plane with cash in hand) you could likely snag a deal in this soft economy.

Here are my two cents:

1). Get cat experience before buying or building to understand what's important to you.

2). A Chris White A48 or A55 seems like a perfect fit for your plans to sail high latitudes and then circumnavigate.

3). Contact exisitng owners of A48-55s to see if someone is ready to sell.

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Old 11-06-2009, 12:17   #18
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I wouldn't be too concerned with experience of sailing a cat. Although they are a wee bit different sailing creature. They still need to be sailed, and the fundamentals aren't different. Looking at as many cats as possible for ideas is a definate.

Chris White's, and Gunboats are true sailing cats. From there you go all the way down to barges & condos. In between there are many that may satisfy your needs. I will type this again only because you will be using the boat for something specific, and out of the normal. Think about custom, and Talbot who is very knowledgable suggest many factors why new would probably be cheaper....i2f
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I understand why you like the lagoon 440 but think about that steeringposition little more.... Do you want to be on the roof alone when the weather is bad.

I like the 440 and the steeringposition should work fine in good weather destinations, but not like sweden or arctic....just my o...
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Old 03-07-2009, 09:40   #20
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I would never consider sailing on the roof, but then again at times we sail like this! With the wind chill it was in the 20's, and that is Daytona Florida somewhere in the sunset......i2f
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:02   #21
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From experience I can agree with Talbot! We own an FP Belize 43 located in Norway and have been sauiling a lot during our winter up here.

I have insulated the deck with special insulation, which has helped both on keeping the boat warm and free of condensation. The sidedecks are massive GRP, no foam core, hence insulation required.

The main problem I have found is the hatches. The aluminium frame bridge the cold directly into the warmer interior creating massive condensation. Less hatches is good for the cold climate but not so for the tropics! I have made "mats" with several layers of bubble wrap, and attached underneath each of the hatches. All 21 of them. This has kept the condensation level down to what can be accepted.

The hull structure is foam core, which is sufficient to eliminate any condensation and also a good insulator.

We use the engines to provide heat via heat exchangers and fans and also one dieselheater from Eberspacher. There should however be one in each hull.

When in dock we keep the shore power on and I have installed Ex certified 50W block heaters on each engine that keep them frost free. Means I don't have to drain the seawater side of the cooling system and the motors are always ready to go.

The seawater cocks also have the same heater, but in general the seawater does not freeze in the cock but a bit up inside the boat so that need to be insulated as well. A seawater cock that cracks from freezing will most likely sink a mono and fill some serious amount of flooding in that hull on a cat.

One thing I cannot keep operational throughout winter is the fresh water system onboard. The water tanks are located on the bridgedeck and will be suseptible to freezing with subzero temperatures. Also the plumbing is inaccessible for insulation. We therefore use 3 x 10 litre water cans that we keep in the fridge. This sound a bit strange but every time we're onboard we open the fridge door and let some warmt into it. It then keeps above freezing until the next time we come onboard, usaually every weekend.

Sailing wise you need to cover up all the ropes and winches. If they get wet and it frezzes there will be no sailing until warmer weather comes along.

The steering on our Belize has never had any problems with freezing.

For winter navigation I would consider a cat with good alround visability so you can navigate from the comfort of the saloon. By having a chartplotter inside and a remote for the autopilot you only have to take small trips outside to adjust the sails. We also have a hatch in the gally that let us check the sails when on starbord tacks, not very helpful on port tacks though.

The cabin sole cant be insulated on our boat but bu using some non slip boat carpet thats not too much of a problem.

We keep the boat in a river and therefore can use the boat all trough winter unless the arcipelago surrounding us frezzes up. Lats Easter we where down on the Swidish westcoast and experienced our coldest days of -12 Deg C. We had 5 fantastic days!

A cat can function well in the artic, but it takes more effort and therefore cost to modify than a monohull and probably you could keep warmer in a mono -- when at the docks or moored, you cannot sail a mono from down below!

Also make sure you use witerized diesel, summer diesel will clog up the diesel filters. Also make sure the fresh water cooling on the engines have a mixture of antifreeze. This must be to the motor manufacturer specification otherwise the could be internal corrosion problems over time.

Good luck with your cat search.

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