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Old 17-12-2010, 16:31   #16
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Looks to be the same vessel. Same type and the first name for the owner is the same.

It appears (appeared) to be a beautiful machine. I really like the size of the "up" galley.

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Old 17-12-2010, 16:57   #17
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You know, someone should be out there either collecting those shipping containers, or blowing them to smithereens . It could give a cruiser a heart attack just thinking about running alone, at night, and seeing one of those things broad side you. It's worse than all the darn oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico
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Old 17-12-2010, 17:22   #18
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A mate of mine reckons he hit a shipping container in a Cav 37 (I think) during a
Sydney to Hobart race, he said it was about 40 seconds from impact to the boat disappearing under the waves.
Those Cavs are supposed to be very well built too, but not as solid as a shipping container I guess.
Why can't these containers be held on more securely?

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Old 17-12-2010, 17:25   #19
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Another tough Aussie... laid back indeed!
Too bad about the cat.
Seems like there would be any number of ways to either sink or mark a container
A submersion activated beacon on a dedicated frequency
A baffled double bottom that would just let the water in if one went over
But it's all about commerce after all eh?Why invest in such a thing when it only affect sailors.
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Old 17-12-2010, 18:48   #20
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You know, someone should be out there either collecting those shipping containers, or blowing them to smithereens . It could give a cruiser a heart attack just thinking about running alone, at night, and seeing one of those things broad side you. It's worse than all the darn oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico
Across the top and inside the reef the RAN patrol boats sink all that they find or are notified about. I agree that there seems to be a serious loss rate, possible due to a vertical only attachment regime.
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Old 17-12-2010, 19:07   #21
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I'm not sure what Catty's problem is with the report that the boat struck the cargo container off its side. As I recall, the Titanic struck an icerberg off its side. If the boat was running on a course that was not parallel to the container, then the bow could pass before contact was made. This is to say nothing of the effect of leeway.

Of course, based upon past experience, Catty's real problem is with catamarans, period. Catty can choose to question the report of the owners and I gather hypothesize (by reporting the wind conditions) that the capsize was induced by light winds, rather than a collision and the holing of one of the hulls. Whatever. As Tom has said, a most unfortunate end to a beautiful boat.

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Nice post brad for a cruising forum adviser, I take it that personal attacks are now acceptable?

No I don't have a" problem".

I was merely pointing out that this is possibly the first case of collision induced capsize I had heard of and was probably worthy of further discussion, maybe solutions or risk minimization could be found.

The fact that the vessel struck a glancing blow ( damage to the side of a very lightly built, shallow draft boat, in light conditions)yet it still tipped over is surely astonishing. The laws of physics would suggest that clobbering something square on and tripping it over would be more of a likely occurrence. Hence the question marks in my post.
Not sure what the Titanic has to do with this case. One sank and the other capsized.
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I'm going to guess they were close hauled, under full sail and caught the container on the lee side so that the sudden change in momentum would start the other hull lifting and then wind against the sail with a boat with a lot of resistant low on the contacting hull would finish the job. Perhaps the contaiiner was at the bottom of a trough as they slid the wave?

Pointless speculation but I can picture it ...
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I'm going to guess they were close hauled, under full sail and caught the container on the lee side so that the sudden change in momentum would start the other hull lifting and then wind against the sail with a boat with a lot of resistant low on the contacting hull would finish the job. Perhaps the contaiiner was at the bottom of a trough as they slid the wave?

Pointless speculation but I can picture it ...
I wonder if they had the kite up, ( westerlies and they were heading east), and the glancing blow caused the vessel to round up and fall over. It will be interesting to here the full story. What is that in the water behind the vessel in the picture?

Pointless speculation I agree.

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Looks like they were going upwind as the starboard daggerbroad was down.
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It is probably a sail in the water that is visible behind the boat. Not much else would be that big and white that came from the boat.
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Of course, based upon past experience, C@^&y's real problem is with catamarans, period.
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I agree, always negative with no real purpose.
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Hmmm, interesting comments about the risks involved in accessing the EPIRP and the flare kit in the life raft.
I've just decided I will buy a top level self activating EPIRP, not a cheap one and have a long hard think about where is the best location for it.
I don't know how you can check the safety gear in your life raft without deploying it?
Or is this another case of not buying a cheapie?
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Two interesting notes in that story:

The catamaran stayed afloat and the trio boarded its attached, self-inflating life raft.

The catamaran will be retrieved and assessed to see if it can be salvaged

And definately not trying to be wise after the event - but I probably would have been wearing a PLB at a location like that. Which is not to say that thought should not be given to EPIB locations etc.
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Hi Les,

The best way to get some info from CF readers about the Pro Kennex would be to start a new thread in say the multihull section, it is just amazing what collective knowledge is available on CF .

Many Thanks, Wotname. I wasn't sure of the protocoll so will do as you suggested.

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