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Old 01-10-2008, 19:44   #61
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I would be more than willing to buy both sides bottles of wine if they would just shut the hell up.

I just wish my boat were in the water so I could be sailing instead of reading all this crap. Time to go do some more sanding.
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Is this thread about boat weight or something deeper?

Good one Robert , nice contributions so far to this thread. You don't actually have to read it, you know?.

So far three posts and ..........


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WTF????

The owners said that the boat came in within 5% of predicted weight and they are happy.

But NOOOOOO, I should not believe them, I should listen to a guy who's first ever sailboat ride is the basis for critical review. Then another guy who designed his first rube goldberg boat but has never built one has the stones to criticize a successful builder, I don't think so. And the third voice of criticism is from a guy that cannot understand basic aerodynamics and has no credible experience. Ya gotta be kidding me.

If you guys would holster your gonads and listen you might learn something.
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I would be more than willing to buy both sides bottles of wine if they would just shut the hell up.

I just wish my boat were in the water so I could be sailing instead of reading all this crap. Time to go do some more sanding.
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Old 01-10-2008, 21:56   #63
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Good one Robert , nice contributions so far to this thread.
Thanks catty, coming from you that is quite the compliment. Your contributions have always have been the highlight of this forum.
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Every one of their boats is a custom boat, spec'd to the owners requirements. And fastcat has undeniably the broadest possible options of any catamaran ever built, with everything from glow in the dark hulls to electric engines on retractable drive legs operating via lightweight lithium batteries.

Let's give Gideon his due, if you can think of any sailboat boat with better technology, more innovation, or greater safety through more water tight compartments, let me know. I've been on catamarans a very long time and frankly I don't see any production that comes near to the thoughtful innovations and safety features. He's looked at some of the very best boats out there and used the features that any owner would want and put in many options that are offered by no other manufacturer in the world.

I for one applaud this effort for it will help push the industry towards making ultimately far more servicable, sailable, and safe catamarans for all owners.

Cheers Gideon and great work!
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Here we go again... the boll is...
This is the weight difference between the standard soft top and the hard top
64 Kilo

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I'll give you 10/10 for persistency Gideon, credebility regarding weights and sailing performance will score a lot lower.

So now the weight difference between what you posted earlier and this is only around 3 tons?

Hardtop bimini is now 124.6 kg instead of 64 kg.

May I suggest you look at your own spreadsheet posted here:
How the Weight of a FastCat 455 Is Made Up


Your specification for a 455 includes the increased height you mention, see your own website.

Please tell us what figure you post we should believe, as this is confusing me.

Greetings

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Hallo Alan

this is the difference between the theory and the actual practice of building a boat.
The spread sheet shows what we before build estimate and the scale gives us the actual weight.
I understand that your Bi rig is estimated at 6800 kilo ready to sail empty tanks or is the estimate different ?

Keep me posted I wish you well and I would still like that wine with you.
All I can say regarding the first time when the boat got lifted into the water is that that weight was far of the real mark. ( I was not present and got the figure from the crane scale )
However the weight is well within the original weight estimate.
Let me know when you are in Cape Town to meet

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whats a KG this must be a math thing.
Kilogram. 1 Kg = 2.2 lbs (roughly). You've maybe heard of the metric system; a few countries have switched to metric, but don't worry - it won't catch on
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Kilogram. 1 Kg = 2.2 lbs (roughly). You've maybe heard of the metric system; a few countries have switched to metric, but don't worry - it won't catch on
And I thought Canada had switched to the Metric system some 30 years ago ?
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NOT sure what all the fuss is, I'd be happy as Larry to have a fastCat. Would still love to learn more about the electric engines. Hopefully, they will get perfected by the time we get something.
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If you want we can keep you posted on the Retractable motor/generators
Just send a mail to info@africancats.com with the request for updates on the Green Motion system

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Thanks Gideon, will do.. Cheers!!
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Hey Nordic Cat,

Are you in the boat building business?
Where do you build your boats?
How come you are not listed as a commercial vendor?

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Hey Nordic Cat,

Are you in the boat building business?
Where do you build your boats?
How come you are not listed as a commercial vendor?

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Hi Robert,

I have designed my "dream boat" that I am having built. just started the process last month.

The boat will be built by 2 Oceans marine in Cape Town. (Two Oceans Marine Manufacturing | catamaran)

There is a thread here, search for "bi-rig" where there has been a lot
of discussion.

To answer your question, I am not a vendor, as this boat is for me personally.

There has been some interest by other people for my "Rube Goldberg" design, as one poster called it. When the boat is nearing completion, or after I know how it performs, I want to leave the option open to be able to sell a boat or 2, to recoup some of my design expenses. But with the general economic situation at present, I very much doubt the viability of this, as the price of the boat will be at least 60% higher than say a Fastcat, if i base it on the present budget figures, that normally end up on the low side

I hope to have it finished by October next year..

The weight of the base boat is calculated at around 6.8 tons, without the additional stuff normally designated as extras if buying a standard production boat. (extra anchors, rodes, extra sails, watermaker, etc) the spreadsheet says around 7.3 tons with these. If she comes out at 8 I'll be satisfied. We still haven't finalised the weight of the rig, and hull reinforcements, so these figures are also not 100% defined. I have a spreadsheet with nearly 1500 items defined with weights and postion in the boat, so there should not be any major suprises there.
I have requested that the boat be weighed along the way, so if things start going off the rails weight wise, we can maybe control it.
For a 49 footer, this weight target is realistic.

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Hey Nordic Cat,

Bear with me here as I try to figure this one out.
Lets see,
Fastcat designs boats, ok.
You design boats, yeah.
Fastcat builds boats in South Africa.
You are going to build boats in South Africa, uh huh.
Fastcat is listed as a commercial vendor, check.
You are listed as a registered user???????

It's getting a little more clear now, almost there.

Fastcat lays out information about how he builds boats.
You try to twist the numbers and info to make him look bad.

You send private messages to me and maybe others to be against fastcat:
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Should we ignore him?
I agree with you, but do you think he should be allowed to continue to come with contradictory and false weight claims that vary between 30 and 100% under reality?
He uses this forum to market his product as being lighter and faster than nearly everything else, then it turns out that his boats weigh the same as most condomorans.
He has sold at least one boat via this forum, once you have signed on the dotted line, you're not likely to be too critical in public.
Do you think we should just let him continue unchallenged? Vendors bull*****ing on this kind of forum annoy me, it's just such a shame he is on the multihull forum IMO, and doesn't have the savvy to lie low and get on with trying to deliver boats that live up to his claims.
I tried to close out this thread earlier, but no....
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You represent yourself to be just a regular guy trying to keep the evil vendors honest, when in fact you are intentionally misleading people on this forum for your own business gain. I wondered why your over zealous and twisted attempts against Fastcat seemed unrealistic and inappropriate. Now I know.
I made the comment about the rube goldberg boat but it was not in reference to your boat. That connection you made yourself.
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This sort of exchange has no place on the Forum. If you have personal disagreements, keep them personal and private. Hijacking someone else's thread to vent personal animosities is unacceptable.

Please keep your posts polite and germane to the topic, or remain silent.
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