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Old 21-12-2015, 12:49   #16
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Re: Bieker 53 - Exciting high performance cruiser

Great video:


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Old 22-12-2015, 00:08   #17
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Re: Bieker 53 - Exciting high performance cruiser

Just watching this video it struck me:
Bridgedeck slamming becomes a no-issue once you start flying a hull!!


For my taste a bit too radical for relaxed cruising. Seems to be a handful work but must be fun!
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Re: Bieker 53 - Exciting high performance cruiser

A high performance cruising catamaran with lifting foils.

Who would have expected this

http://caribbean600.rorc.org/News-20...bbean-600.html
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Re: Bieker 53 - Exciting high performance cruiser

I think only a Bieker 53 was made?

It capsized some hours ago while racing with a great crew that included the builder.
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Re: Bieker 53 - Exciting high performance cruiser

Where was she racing? And what is the name of the builder was on board?

Any more details??
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I don’t believe this boat has full “lifting foils” like the AC boats but just modified Bruce foils. The Windward hull flies due to pressure on the sails and the leeward doesn’t bury as much due to the slight lift from the curved Bruce foil. This is a really great design, but the capsize I don’t believe involved any problem with foiling like the Gunboat foiling capsize. Simply a mostly conventional cat sailing with too much sail set.
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RORC 600 - The highly experienced crew on Fujin from Seattle, Washington, USA include the skipper Greg Slyngstad, the boat's designer, Paul Bieker and Olympic Gold medallist Jonathan McKee.

http://caribbean600.rorc.org/News-20...bbean-600.html

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I followed the boat Fuijin on the tracker (they have since pulled her track) until she capsized. It appears that the capsize was near a mark where she headed up from a reach to a beat. The boat was being pressed hard in 20-30 knots, and was just behind a Gunboat 62 and ahead of a Gunboat 60. She was also just ahead of a Kerr 56 mono. The designer Paul Bieker was onboard, not the builder, as well as a very experienced crew of amateurs and professionals.

While the boat was marketed as a performance cruiser, it appears that she was pretty much a full race program. Germane to the condomaran thread, she was tacking at 90 degrees on the GPS while going to weather at 10+ knots.

Hopefully she will be recovered and they will have learned their lesson.
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It will be "a" lesson. Not "The lesson" not sure that exists. Not in this life anyhow
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I looked up the ISAF classifications for the Fuijin crew. There were only two class 3 sailors (paid professionals), four registered class 1 (amateurs), and two unclassified crew on the boat.

This gets back to the question of allowing catamarans to race in offshore events, like Sydney to Hobart, Newport to Bermuda, Transpac, Transat, etc. The last conversation I had on this with the Transpac and Bermuda organizers was that they were fairly comfortable with professionally crewed boats, but apprehensive about the amateurs. These race organizers REALLY don't want to have to deal with capsized catamarans, especially if there is loss of life. This incident will rekindle those concerns.
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This gets back to the question of allowing catamarans to race in offshore events, like Sydney to Hobart, Newport to Bermuda, Transpac, Transat, etc. The last conversation I had on this with the Transpac and Bermuda organizers was that they were fairly comfortable with professionally crewed boats, but apprehensive about the amateurs. These race organizers REALLY don't want to have to deal with capsized catamarans, especially if there is loss of life. This incident will rekindle those concerns.
Interesting insight, Don... thanks for posting that. Helps explain the decisions that lots of multi hull enthusiasts complain about.

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You think? But they're OK dealing with loss of life due to sinkings?

Multis seem to do OK in transatlantic races, RTW races, the Fastnet, round Britain and Ireland races.... I don't recall hearing about large numbers of fatalities from the multihull participants in those races....

And yet it seems almost every "Clipper" has one or more fatality. Maybe they need to ban mono's from racing?
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You think? But they're OK dealing with loss of life due to sinkings?

Multis seem to do OK in transatlantic races, RTW races, the Fastnet, round Britain and Ireland races.... I don't recall hearing about large numbers of fatalities from the multihull participants in those races....

And yet it seems almost every "Clipper" has one or more fatality. Maybe they need to ban mono's from racing?

Now your being silly 44c, there's never a fatality on a sinking monohull, they are just "lost at sea".


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I looked up the ISAF classifications for the Fuijin crew. There were only two class 3 sailors (paid professionals), four registered class 1 (amateurs), and two unclassified crew on the boat.

This gets back to the question of allowing catamarans to race in offshore events, like Sydney to Hobart, Newport to Bermuda, Transpac, Transat, etc. The last conversation I had on this with the Transpac and Bermuda organizers was that they were fairly comfortable with professionally crewed boats, but apprehensive about the amateurs. These race organizers REALLY don't want to have to deal with capsized catamarans, especially if there is loss of life. This incident will rekindle those concerns.
I don't know about that and I don't think that is a reason to exclude multihulls. They have raced several Fastnet (I am not referring to the professionally crewed trimarans but to the cats) and they have never had a capsize while I remember a capsize of a monohull that lost the keel.

Ok, it is not fair since there are a hugely bigger proportions of monohulls, but the fact is that the amateur crewed catamarans never had a problem.
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Re: Bieker 53 - Exciting high performance cruiser

Well, the decision may not be "fair", but I'm still grateful for the insight to the race organizer's thought processes.

In the long run, one must try to remember that the organizers own the races, as it were, and they have no requirement to be fair to anyone.

One can only hope that as time goes on, more venues will open up to multihull racers. I suspect that if participation and interest from sponsors should fall off, organizers would become a bit more malleable in their thinking.

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