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Old 02-02-2012, 10:49   #1
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Best Upwind , Blue Water Cat ?

Here is our situation:

My husband is a VERY experienced, intuitive, lifelong sailor. He has always sailed monohuls. I still have much to learn. We are just starting to consider a catamaran. We are interested in cruising blue water, ultimately full-time. So far, he is most impressed with the Catana at the dock. We have not sailed a cruising cat yet.

My questions for those who know, and I know there won't be an agreement, but maybe a consensus. How naive of me, right?! LOL

1.What is the best catamaran for sailing blue water AND for sailing upwind?

2. Am I correct in assuming that the best catamaran for sailing upwind WILL have daggerboards?

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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

One word.....Catana!
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Yes upwind cats with boards will always point higher then those with fixed keel.and I agree catana
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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

Yup, Catana and Outremer. The older Catanas and most newer ones are built like a brick s**thouse. All the Outremers are good. There's lots of one offs with boards and these are usually built with epoxy and that's a good thing. Also Mainecat, Switch, Phisa, etc. All with boards. What's your budget?
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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

Thanks Sand Crab and all who have and will post. Budget, now that is the $10M question ... no pun intended. The Powerball is at $200M in Florida right now

We are just now shopping and not ready to buy unless the deal of the century came along. Some pre-owned for certain. Absolutely under $200K, under $150K would be ideal.

I don't think my husband would have even considered a cat, until he saw the Catanas at the Annapolis show. He is a bit of a purist when it comes to sailing and he wants a boat that he can really sail in blue water. No offense to anyone who enjoys the shallows around the islands in a cat -- that is a great life -- he just wants to see the world a little more. And, for that you need a heavy duty cat that can sail upwind. I know I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

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Thanks Sand Crab and all who have and will post. Budget, now that is the $10M question ... no pun intended. The Powerball is at $200M in Florida right now

We are just now shopping and not ready to buy unless the deal of the century came along. Some pre-owned for certain. Absolutely under $200K, under $150K would be ideal.

I don't think my husband would have even considered a cat, until he saw the Catanas at the Annapolis show. He is a bit of a purist when it comes to sailing and he wants a boat that he can really sail in blue water. No offense to anyone who enjoys the shallows around the islands in a cat -- that is a great life -- he just wants to see the world a little more. And, for that you need a heavy duty cat that can sail upwind. I know I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

Thanks again!
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That budget will be difficult to fit with your goals - particularly if it includes refit money. While windward ability is important, 90% of your cruising will be off the wind unless you are masochists or plan to completely ignore weather reports. I am surprised at how little upwind sailing we do.

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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

There's an older 54 foot custom Crowther with an asking price of about $260K. It might be in your price range. It's in Florida, too. Oldie but a goodie.
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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

Nobody has mentioned Shuttleworth?
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Nobody has mentioned Shuttleworth?
In the States, Shuttleworth, Kelsal, Schionning, LaRouge etc are not well known, but excellent boats. They are also expensive ones over here.

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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

Good luck in finding a Catana under 150K. It really does come down to what multihull designer Dick Newick allegedly said to the prospective purchaser of a multihull - "I can give you any two of performance, comfort and reasonable cost, but only two." Yes, you can no doubt find some cats with excellent performance to windward and offshsore capability in your price range, but will no doubt pay in terms of space and comfort.

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Did a YW search on Catanas from $250,000 (figuring on a lower negotiated price) to $20 and came up with 9. There is a boatload of daggerboard cats in that price range. Lots of customs including Shuttleworth I'll bet. Surely something is worthwhile.
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There's a neat open bridgedeck Woods 36' with center cockpit bimini for only $69,000. Reminds me of a smaller Maine Cat without the enclosure. It's a full on cruiser and looks really fast and it's crossed the pond. Weighs like 5 tons.
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Did a YW search on Catanas from $250,000 (figuring on a lower negotiated price) to $20 and came up with 9. There is a boatload of daggerboard cats in that price range. Lots of customs including Shuttleworth I'll bet. Surely something is worthwhile.
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There's a neat open bridgedeck Woods 36' with center cockpit bimini for only $69,000. Reminds me of a smaller Maine Cat without the enclosure. It's a full on cruiser and looks really fast and it's crossed the pond. Weighs like 5 tons.

Thank you very much! I will take a look as soon as I get home.

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Old Outremer 40 in France, 98K euros. You did say your husband wanted to sail upwind fast, didn't you? Looks well kept.
http://www.multihullcompany.com/Cata...utremer_40/526
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That Outremer and the Woods are listed on Forum member Tropic cat's website. Cruising catamaran for sale by owner. The Outremer looks really nice for a 22 year old cat.
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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

Not to hijack a thread, but why is sailing upwind all that important? I know of course, to get to where you want to go faster... but really? What will be the difference in time between one that points well and one that doesn't in time to station?
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