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Old 05-02-2012, 09:13   #106
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Don't feel bad.
I did not get it either.
I to was thinking the exact opposite.
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:23   #107
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I was surprised to see that no one mentioned the leopards. I own a leopard 43 and have found it to be an excellent boat. My cat experience is limited to having only sailed this one with an occasional excursion to a Privilege or Foutaine Pajot.
I am fairly convinced that VMG on my cat is very equivalent to VMG on most cruising monohulls.
My two cents.
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I was surprised to see that no one mentioned the leopards. I own a leopard 43 and have found it to be an excellent boat. My cat experience is limited to having only sailed this one with an occasional excursion to a Privilege or Foutaine Pajot.
I am fairly convinced that VMG on my cat is very equivalent to VMG on most cruising monohulls.
My two cents.
This thread topic was pretty specific about cats with daggerboards, excellent upwind performance and $200k. The Leopard is neither, and I am not disparaging it in any way. Lagoons are neither, FP are neither, Manta is neither, Privilege, etc, etc.

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Old 05-02-2012, 09:44   #109
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Darby, you really should look into I2F's boat. It should be in your price range. He was a regular poster here for many years and it was a good design. At least he bragged about it enough There where a lot of features I personally liked.

Good suggestion Sand Crab.

Thanks David. I have emailed John (I2F) and a couple of others here on CF, who apparently know him, to see if we can contact him. No updates yet. I hope all is well with he and his wife.

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Last night we had a small get together in our marina. It started on a friend's monohull, a Morgan 36' center cockpit. A nice roomy boat. By 9:30PM our group had increased to 10 people (something about an ice chest full of beer). There simply wasn't room on this boat and the whole affair had to be moved to my boat, a 27' Catamaran where we remained til the wee hours (yes, my head hurts this morning).

Never forget the difference in boat design and that catamarans have 50% more room than a mono of the same LOA. When it's all said and done, they are just so much more comfortable. Which brings me to the very last point. That is to remind your husband that when you're happy ... everyone's happy.

The trick is to find a catamaran that won't break the bank. When you have some time, check out the For Sale by owner Cruising Catamaran listings in the link in my signature.

Thanks! I have been on that site and I like it very much. I will keep checking in as we get closer to buying. We just finished the house remodel in the fall, so now Vanora is getting our attention. Just finished the brightwork and now re-upholstering, new life lines, polishing the interior teak, etc... We want to have her "tip-top" before we go to Mexico in April. She is a classic beauty and she handles great.

Timeline to purchase a CAT? 10-24 months, it depends upon the deals we come upon and if the economy continues to recover. We can only hope.

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This thread topic was pretty specific about cats with daggerboards, excellent upwind performance and $200k. The Leopard is neither, and I am not disparaging it in any way. Lagoons are neither, FP are neither, Manta is neither, Privilege, etc, etc.

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I believe if you read the thread carefully the real question was upwind performance with a prejudice expressed by Darby that this would probably be a dagger board boat.
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Dear Darby,'
I think you are focusing way too much on the capacity of going upwind, it seems that even the best cat (within your budget... and mine) will not keep up to your mate's expectation, i have owned 7 mono and now on a cat for 4 years and will never go back to a mono, they are missing a hull you know... the freeflowing between cockpit and saloon is unbeatable (the Freeflow design is not by the way) the possibilty of sitting in the saloon or cockpit no matter what the weather and enjoy a great view, the privacy of your own hull for you and your guests, the ease of access to tihe water, the uninterrupted vue even with the dinghy up... did i mention no healing? Move over to the bright side... you will never regret it

I love to hear your description of life aboard a CAT -- thank you. I think it will be great for life cruising and living aboard.
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True, particularly blue water voyaging you plan your route to suite boat, weather, conditions, crew etc.
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SandCrab ..... I agree with you and Jeannius .... there will have to be a bimini over the helm! We have a bimini and a dodger on our Tartan and in Florida, the bimini stays up all the time.

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If you can figure out how to set up a bimini [and a dodger?] over Catana's steering stations, I would be very interested to see your solution. We could not find a way to install something stable and aesthetically pleasing, so we took Catana out of our short list.

Having looked in detail at Catana and Outremer, we liked Outremer more for the money. Plus, you can find Outremers with a single steering station under the cockpit bimini

Just my 2 cents...
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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

The only canopys, biminis or whatchamacallits over the Catanas helms were on the one off Catana 90. Yes, I heard about the issues with this one. If you Google image Catana 90 you can find more pics. There are better ones but they are protected so I couldn't paste them here. BTW The canopy doohickies pivot for good sun protection.
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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

Darby,

Have you given any thought to having a larger cruising kitty and smaller cat? I'm leaning towards a PDQ 36 for many reasons, but one is I like a full chart size nav table, and every cat that offers that is a lot bigger than my needs. The PDQ, besides being a fast boat has a fold down nav table in the hull.

Going to a cat this small is just a thought, but they are very well built (from what I have heard) and run $100K~$150K range.
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The only canopys, biminis or whatchamacallits over the Catanas helms were on the one off Catana 90. Yes, I heard about the issues with this one. If you Google image Catana 90 you can find more pics. There are better ones but they are protected so I couldn't paste them here. BTW The canopy doohickies pivot for good sun protection.
I have seen similar biminis on the Catana 401, 431 and Phisa 42 (same boat as Catana 401). They are, at best, minimal shade, and only with the sun directly overhead.

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My bet is that whatever you decide on, you will look back at this point after your first year of cruising and think how funny it was that "fast upwind performance" was on the top of your criteria list.

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As previously stated, we really don't want to sail upwind, however the wind is not always in our favor. Thus, the question regarding upwind.
Thank you all -- you are the best!
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My bet is that whatever you decide on, you will look back at this point after your first year of cruising and think how funny it was that "fast upwind performance" was on the top of your criteria list.

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