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Old 02-02-2012, 18:43   #46
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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

Sailors law:

Up wind is where you need to go!

When you get there it'll be upwind all the way home too!

The moral is of course..

Go where the wind blows!
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Old 02-02-2012, 18:49   #47
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Nice find sand crab. Looks like a crowther 44 (deign 85) with 10 foot stern extensions. Stern extensions are a sign that the vessel is overloaded. This particular boat is around 40% heavier than the designer intended ( displacement advertised at 25000 lb ,designed 18000 lb) . Be wary of multihulls displacing more than the designer intended. The extra weight erodes or even cancels out structural design safety factors among other things.
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The listing says it's a 48' stretched to 54'. That would make it an 85 Mark II.
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If the extensions are proven by miles and years then I'm not worried. Ya gotta admit 25,000 ibs is great for a 54'.
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The listing says it's a 48' stretched to 54'. That would make it an 85 Mark II.
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If the extensions are proven by miles and years then I'm not worried. Ya gotta admit 25,000 ibs is great for a 54'.
Yes quite possibly sandcrab ,however the mark II had the streamlined, more modern looking cabin .

Iether way, 30% overweight is never going to give sparkling windward performance the op wanted. The structure is now 25000 miles closer to its fatigue point. Possibly reflected in the give-away price . Better you than me.

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Old 02-02-2012, 21:02   #49
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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

Thank you all! You have been great and wonderfully helpful. I understand all your comments about sailing upwind. Believe me, my husband has no desire to sail updwind; however, he has sailed long enough (50 years) to know that inspite of your best planning you sometimes have to take what you get. And, two days into a four day crossing -- you're committed. He simply wants to prepare for all situations.


Truly ... my sincere thanks to each of you.

Now, I'm off to look at the Crowther that SandCrab found.


And may the wind always be at your back!
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Apparently, this is my husband concern for having a cat that can sail upwing, as he wants to wants to circumnavigate just as his parents did for 11 years.

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Again, unless you plan to go the "wrong" way around, I would be more concerned about how the boat sailed downwind and in light winds than maximizing its potential upwind.

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Old 02-02-2012, 22:13   #51
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Yes quite possibly sandcrab ,however the mark II had the streamlined, more modern looking cabin .

Iether way, 30% overweight is never going to give sparkling windward performance the op wanted. The structure is now 25000 miles closer to its fatigue point. Possibly reflected in the give-away price . Better you than me.

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Sorry,Typo, that should read Mark III had the streamlined cabin.
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Re: Best Upwind, Blue Water Cat?

No way are you signing off from this thread Darby. I mean, we have only started to drift. The tide is about to go out so pretty soon your question will be set free to drift all the way across the ocean. It's going to have to go with the wind though, as we learned 4 times thats the way to go. No upwind drift is possible.
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Yes quite possibly sandcrab ,however the mark II had the streamlined, more modern looking cabin .

Iether way, 30% overweight is never going to give sparkling windward performance the op wanted. The structure is now 25000 miles closer to its fatigue point. Possibly reflected in the give-away price . Better you than me.

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What is that Crowther"s final fatique point in NM ?? Doesn't have too many hours on engines for age suggests has not been overworked. some of the older Crowther Catana's aren't too different in design.

Would have thought she has the WLL to handle her displacement. Naturally weight not up to best of today's construction but pretty fair for a 1998 build.

Built in NZ Don't like the front line covering all internals.
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There's this other 44' Crowther in Maryland for $160,000. Doesn't say if it has boards but most of these cats do. Older listing, maybe it's still available and they are really ready to sell.
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Could try something called Beneteau Blue... not mentioned here much as its not in the mega stateroom class... but they do sail and can be lived aboard if you've ever owned boats under 40-50ft...
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No way are you signing off from this thread Darby. I mean, we have only started to drift. The tide is about to go out so pretty soon your question will be set free to drift all the way across the ocean. It's going to have to go with the wind though, as we learned 4 times thats the way to go. No upwind drift is possible.

Palarran .... I am sailing this ship to it's final destination! As long as you all are here to naviagte the passage with me However, I might get some crap about what I'm getting ready to say. I think I am just in love with the Catanas. Maybe it's just a woman thing and yes they are pricey, but they are just made well and have a nice flow for living aboard.

Sailing and life aboard? I know nothing about other than what others tell me. Budget? Wheew, but I like the older ones very much and Sand Crab says the older ones are built well. Apparently, their (Catana) assymetric hulls, high bridgebeck, daggerboards, and trampoline make them ideal for blue water. So, I can either A. Keep savng. B. Win the Florida Powerball C. Take $5 from each poster who drifts of hijacks a thread, in which case I will be buying my Catana in VERY short order.

I vote C and the question them, what to name her.

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There is a Catana 381 in Virginia for $169,000. I don't know if I would be able to deal with the helm setup on it.
You can usually find a Catana 39 in your price range but they have tiller steering which for me is a positive bit for most people not. They also have pretty skinny double bunks and small galleys.
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This Outremer 43 was just listed today. 155,000 Euros in France
Catamaran 1990 Outremer 43 Catamaran For Sale

Lots of new stuff including sails. 1530 hours on the engine! This boat will smoke 99.99% of any boat out there upwind or down.
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'Cat Ana Hot Tin Roof'.....

Love it Boatman! or ...... since my former married name and thus the last name of my ex-husband (and still very good friend of mine and friend of my second -- and last husband) and my son's last name is ...... SUESS, which everyone thinks is the same as Dr. Seuss.

We could go with ..... IN THE HAT. I know, corny, get the hook.
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