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Old 17-06-2015, 05:52   #1
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Best in Group.

Over the last 15 months, I have been aboard a lot of Catamarans and monos both sail and power.

There are some defined views held as to which is/appears to be best value in boat sizes. I will only give one opinion on a vessel that for me is the best in group. It doesnt mean others fail to make the grade, it just means that the vessel I chose met my criteria and I liked it as well.

23-30 foot.
31-38 foot.
Over 39 foot.

In the 23-30 foot range: Heavenly Twins 27. I also liked the Catalac 9m. Either would do but I loved the centre cockpit and separate double aft cabins and the walk through internally on the H.T.

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Old 17-06-2015, 07:21   #2
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Re: Best in Group.

I went over to meet our next door neighbors on my paddle board yesterday here in Sardegna, the Oyster 885 yacht Karibu.

Kicking back now listening to the Three Tenors.
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Old 17-06-2015, 07:25   #3
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Re: Best in Group.

It seems to be missing a hull or two for this forum.

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Re: Best in Group.

I did mention monos in the opening post and can see I didnt specify Multis only.

I will rectify that right now.

Multis only.........
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I went over to meet our next door neighbors on my paddle board yesterday here in Sardegna, the Oyster 885 yacht Karibu.

Kicking back now listening to the Three Tenors.
Somebody cross bred that Oyster with an Island Packet
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Re: Best in Group.

Weavis - glad you specified 'best value", cuz to my eyes that is one ugly duckling. But you know what they say about judging a book by its cover.

So ..... you going for it?
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Re: Best in Group.

I'd have to say that Gemini wins the under 35' group. Can't argue with 1200 units built.
Same with the Lagoon 380. 700 or is it 800 now?
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Weavis - glad you specified 'best value", cuz to my eyes that is one ugly duckling. But you know what they say about judging a book by its cover.

So ..... you going for it?
You dont get pretty in this size range It is a great all rounder. Has its quirks like everything else but tis a good 'un.

I have a price offered on one for 4 months. He has but a week left to accept before I move up to the next size range.

Nice live aboard for one. ( I have to add that this video is of a superb refurbishment
job. Its not the one I am after. This one is valued at close to 40K sterling. A little too much me thinks.)
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I'd have to say that Gemini wins the under 35' group. Can't argue with 1200 units built.
Same with the Lagoon 380. 700 or is it 800 now?
The Gemini would be one of my choices.
The Lagoon 380 would be 1st or second on my list.
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Somebody cross bred that Oyster with an Island Packet
You were extremely kind in picking your breeding pair.

I thought is was an updated Hunter. But what do I know. I kinda thought it couldnt be a Hunter simply because they stay firmly rooted in the 80s.......... on the other hand......

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Re: Best in Group.

Hi Weavis,

I am glad you started this thread.

I found the Heavenly Twins interesting. So, please do not take the following questions as criticism. From what I can see in the photos, the boat looks like the designers did a good job of make a smaller boat have usable space.

It seems to utilize the length effectively, with maximum volume. While I have not been on one yet, I would like to see one in the future.

One concern I have with short LOA boats is that I am 6' tall. As I understand it, the headroom on the "stoop ways" in the hulls is low, but what about the main salon/saloon? I assume there would be 6'2" or so of headroom in the center of the saloon, but do not know for sure. What about the aft double cabin (master's bed)? What about the galley? Would a person 6' tall need to stoop there too? (sincere question). Of course one must commonly stoop a bit on smaller LOA boats (monos too), but I am just wondering how much a 6' tall person would need to stoop when moving about belowdecks?

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Hi Weavis,

I am glad you started this thread.

I found the Heavenly Twins interesting. So, please do not take the following questions as criticism. From what I can see in the photos, the boat looks like the designers did a good job of make a smaller boat have usable space.

It seems to utilize the length effectively, with maximum volume. While I have not been on one yet, I would like to see one in the future.

One concern I have with short LOA boats is that I am 6' tall. As I understand it, the headroom on the "stoop ways" in the hulls is low, but what about the main salon/saloon? I assume there would be 6'2" or so of headroom in the center of the saloon, but do not know for sure. What about the aft double cabin (master's bed)? What about the galley? Would a person 6' tall need to stoop there too? (sincere question). Of course one must commonly stoop a bit on smaller LOA boats (monos too), but I am just wondering how much a 6' tall person would need to stoop when moving about belowdecks?

I will post a few photos that caught my attention.
Length 8.20m (26'11")
LWL 6.60m (21'8")
Beam 4.20m (13'9")
Draft Min 0.70m (2'4")
Draft Max 0.70m (2'4")
Displacement 2,851kg (6,286.5lbs)
Headroom 1.85m (6'1")



Stoop throughs from aft to main cabin is 5 foot. Headroom at 6'1 is in the side hulls and cabins (I think). you will be sat down in the main cabin mainly. All the smaller Cats are like this.

Im 6 foot and found the only place I needed to crouch was in the main cabin to get to the seat...and if I walked through the stoop. The name gives it away
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Re: Best in Group.

OK

Aft cabins are 6 foot exactly.
Hulls are 6'3
and main cabin is 5'8

http://www.heavenlytwins.co.uk/description.php#stoop
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I'd have to say that Gemini wins the under 35' group. Can't argue with 1200 units built.
Same with the Lagoon 380. 700 or is it 800 now?
Volume sold is never a good argument for quality unless you dine at McDonalds
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I like McDonalds. Fries are awesome. I go at least twice a year whether or not I need to!
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