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Old 02-09-2012, 18:27   #61
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We have a 420. Haven't been anywhere far in it so we've not been able to get any good data on sailing. But we have done a few short runs and it seems to go pretty well to me.

Did 8 kts close hauled in 20 kts apparent, the other day with the wife on the helm and sails not finely trimmed. Put the asymmetrical spinnaker up another time in 10-15 and we were getting 8+ on a broad reach.

And that's with fixed props.

As far as I can tell the rumors that 420s don't go are just that - rumors. For a boat of this type it goes pretty well as far as I can tell. Motors well too.

And when we aren't sailing it's fabulous! Lots of room.

Never going to be a racing machine, but for my money I think the 420 is the pick of the Lagoons.
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Never going to be a racing machine, but for my money I think the 420 is the pick of the Lagoons.
And that's the whole point, isn't it?
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Old 06-09-2012, 22:38   #64
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Totally agree there, we all spend more time at anchor than anything and all these Lagoons are so comfortable.

We are on anchor tucked in behind a small island across from HVAR now with strong gusts giving an idea of the day, last night we had a constant 30knots and i've got a mug of hot coffee beside me, breakfast then a hot shower, that'll do me.

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We have a 420. Haven't been anywhere far in it so we've not been able to get any good data on sailing. But we have done a few short runs and it seems to go pretty well to me.

Did 8 kts close hauled in 20 kts apparent, the other day with the wife on the helm and sails not finely trimmed. Put the asymmetrical spinnaker up another time in 10-15 and we were getting 8+ on a broad reach.

And that's with fixed props.

As far as I can tell the rumors that 420s don't go are just that - rumors. For a boat of this type it goes pretty well as far as I can tell. Motors well too.

And when we aren't sailing it's fabulous! Lots of room.

Never going to be a racing machine, but for my money I think the 420 is the pick of the Lagoons.
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Old 11-09-2012, 23:14   #65
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Re: Average Cruising Speed - Production Cats

On the lower side, the more common side of sailing LIGHT AIRS which bring those averages down, yesterday we were sailing in 8 to 9 knots average on a smooth sea, our boat has fixed 2 bladers and the standard genoa and mainsail for now.

SOG was 3.8 to 4.1 there was no seaway at all, this was with constant trim, in those conditions the boat tacked perfectly dropping to 2knots, we were cutting 80deg tacks.

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On the lower side, the more common side of sailing LIGHT AIRS which bring those averages down, yesterday we were sailing in 8 to 9 knots average on a smooth sea, our boat has fixed 2 bladers and the standard genoa and mainsail for now.

SOG was 3.8 to 4.1 there was no seaway at all, this was with constant trim, in those conditions the boat tacked perfectly dropping to 2knots, we were cutting 80deg tacks.

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Yeah Frank ... the ease of tacking these 440's still has so many people bewildered when they sail with us. They think its skippering skill but truthfully it just slips through the eye with the greatest of ease
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Re: Average Cruising Speed - Production Cats

This is definitely a "how long is a piece of string thread", we are in a 43 foot mono with slightly over 5000nm of very varied cruising, the plotter shows an overall average of 5.3 kn boat speed.

Going by this I'd say hope for around 65% of hull speed on average.
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Meant to add , Best day so far, crossing the bay of biscay 188 NM, worst run, funnily enough also crossing the bay of biscay 60NM (no fuel to motor)
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Re: Average Cruising Speed - Production Cats

i must say sailing at 12to20 knts(26 one time)on a50"wing mastered cruising cat spoiled me,but on a recent delivery on a 42 lagoon with a jolly good crew and a fine wind on the beam,just loverly,wouldnt of changed it.theres a lesson there.
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Re: Average Cruising Speed - Production Cats

Lagoons sail well.
Our 380 did 5 knots in 7 knots wind, 7 knots in 9 knots wind,
with only the parasailor up 105 m2.
i also do with the genakker/code zero, on 52 m2, main sail on 52 m2 tacking at 60d just above 10 knots in 15 knots of wind, and i like it. and that is in what i call holliday mode, with full tanks, and a lot of stuff onboard,
you find films on youtube, "Careka 380"
and the sailing with the parasailor was done by our 18 year old , just cursing in the sun.

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My older 42 kept up with 46-48 monos on most passages. on a reach they were far astern.
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Wow Have to say that is very surprising performance from a lagoon 38 Careka! over 10 knots in 15 at 60 degrees (im assuming thats apparent 60D and true 15 knots?) is not at all what i would have thought they could do...
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Lagoons sail well.
Our 380 did 5 knots in 7 knots wind, 7 knots in 9 knots wind,
with only the parasailor up 105 m2.
i also do with the genakker/code zero, on 52 m2, main sail on 52 m2 tacking at 60d just above 10 knots in 15 knots of wind, and i like it. and that is in what i call holliday mode, with full tanks, and a lot of stuff onboard,
you find films on youtube, "Careka 380"
and the sailing with the parasailor was done by our 18 year old , just cursing in the sun.

Great clip, sums up totally what this life is about, relaxed scenes, loved the SHAGGI finale.....

Careka moving along nicely, edge of kite gently folding simply perfect..... Cheers to you and your family,

Frank & Vivien
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Yes "SHAGGI" is a good one.
we are down in sapin in the sun, now, and i will make more films nexst summer, tacking with the genakker/code zero, and film it all,
if you just give the 380 the rigth sails and size she will fly.
normaly they are under rigged due to charter.
the 380 can handle winds up to around 37 knots with full main and genoa, but then the hull will lift, and you can flip over. and it will happen very fast. so dont try to be close to that edge.

happy sailing all. i have to go for a swim. to coool down.
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Yes "SHAGGI" is a good one.
we are down in sapin in the sun, now, and i will make more films nexst summer, tacking with the genakker/code zero, and film it all,
if you just give the 380 the rigth sails and size she will fly.
normaly they are under rigged due to charter.
the 380 can handle winds up to around 37 knots with full main and genoa, but then the hull will lift, and you can flip over. and it will happen very fast. so dont try to be close to that edge.

happy sailing all. i have to go for a swim. to coool down.
Hmmmm ... You are a much braver man than me. I will put the first reef in whenever the wind gets to 20 knots on my 380.

I just spent 4 days sheltered behind Fitzroy Island in North Queensland waiting for 25 to 30 knot strong wind warning to abate. No way was I venturing out in that .. Definitely not with full sail up.

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