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Old 26-08-2011, 17:34   #46
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Thats great,from what i hear they are a good boat and the trip back to Aus will be aweome.
Getting a delivery captain to go with you is a top idea as they will be able to teach you about the boat and technique for sailing it.
Most importantly you ill be in. Bot out on the water.
Its easy to say boats are too dear in Aus but as you researched thts what they cost.
Great to hear you have got yours
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Old 26-08-2011, 18:44   #47
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This is a very interesting topic- and I have a question for you guys.
If I took a 40 foot Valiant over to AUS to be sold, what would the taxes and tarrifs be on the boat? In other words, how much would it cost to actually sell the boat in Australia? Assume a 200K sale. In Australia of course. I would sail it from Washington State to somewhere on the east coast.
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Old 26-08-2011, 19:07   #48
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10% GST (VAT, IVA, sales tax, whatever you wanna call it)
5% import duty (or zero if built in the US)
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Old 26-08-2011, 20:36   #49
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Check yachtandboat.com.AU if you are thinking of sailing over and selling your boat here from the US. As for agent they would want their cut, for costs check mentioned website and contact some brokers from there. Many boats in OZ have been sailed over and left here waiting to be sold with the owners flown home or patiently waiting on board.

I'm thinking 20-30k for the trip from Carib to Aus for delivery captain if buying a cat overseas, but Dragonlady would know better.
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Old 26-08-2011, 20:42   #50
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Valiant 40 in the US - $199,500

Valiant 40 in Oz - $125,000
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Old 26-08-2011, 21:41   #51
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Just in.
The survey report, On FIMSA Letter Head, Signed and Officially stamped,
I now own a 2003 Gemini 105MC 34 foot Catamaran,
If you think I am happy, Your right, I am.

You can look at boats till the cows come home, But sooner or later, you must narrow it down to 3 or 4, if you are ever going to buy one,
I looked at hundreds, from all over the world, I have square eyes to prove it.

I have nightmares of Google, It has turned into a monster, But with out Google, all this was impossible,

Even this site, Cruiser forums has been invaluable, I have gained immense knowledge from on here.
And you dont even know who you are that helped me, But it took a lot of reading on my part.

I have added piccys, But I dont know if it will upload them, so if it doesn't, You will just miss out.
Well its too big, so you will have to settle for just one, A Gemini piccy. Some one else's piccy.
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Old 26-08-2011, 21:50   #52
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Mr B, sounds like you scored a very nice vessel! Good on you...

I would suggest that 1 week sailing lesson around Fiji is not really enough to safely get you back to Australia. There are a lot of reefs and hazards to sail into in the middle of the night. Not trying to put you off at all, don't get me wrong - just think you need to spend a bit longer and gain a bit more experience.
Have you done any navigation courses and researched the various routes from Fiji to Oz, weather patterns, etc. - I'm sure you have!

Good luck to you, I'm envious....
More info, Sail around locally till I get used to it, Then circumnavigate Fiji itself, With out stopping, We were all learners once, We have to start some where,
Plus if I go against the wind there, While learning, It will give me good experience coming home.
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Old 26-08-2011, 23:41   #53
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The price of Cats in Oz is ridiculous! The price of a 20 y.o. second hand cat or mono is even more ridiculous.
Sorry to say that I think you are wrong. So are most to the contributers on this thread. And I am wrong too! That's right folks, I've changed my mind.
Secondhand Aussie boats can be a bargain, as I've discovered this morning.
The huge alloy maxi mono described below went to fair dinkum (aussie for "genuine") auction this morning in Brisbane. Boat is awesome. Check out the hydraulic adjusters on the twin backstays! Whole deck is teak. Some maintenance needs to be done, needs an electronics upgrade and a few other jobs, but is a solid seaworthy vessel than has just been brought over from New Zealand. Cayman Islands flagged, but all import duties etc have been already paid.
SOLD under the hammer for A$100,000 (no zero missing)
I think you need very deep pockets and a crew to manage a vessel of this size. And I know it's not a cat, but it does prove that there is a big difference, make that HUGE, between asking and selling prices in Australia at the moment. Check out the auctions because "when the bidding starts the BS stops".




1984 WORLD CRUISING MAXI SLOOP
  • UNDER INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE UK OWNERS
  • VESSEL MUST BE SOLD
  • This Vessel was designed as a fast ocean cruising maxi to give the thrill and speed of a racing maxi but with all of the creature comforts required by the blue water cruising yachtsman.
  • Spacious accommodation for 6/8 guests in 2 cabins with own en suites and a full owners stateroom forward.
  • This Vesel has completed voyages around the world and is well set up for extended ocean sailing. Her mast and rigging have been replaced since new and most of her sail wardrobe has been replaced over the last 3 years.
  • This Vessel will especially appeal to a yachtsman wanting a solid, robustly constructed vessel with the speed and ability to sail well in heavy conditions.
  • LOA 24.98m
  • Beam 5.92m
  • Draft 3.55m
  • Designer: Andre Mauric
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Old 27-08-2011, 00:08   #54
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Re: Aussies Don't Complain Boats Are Too Expensive

1 Its a mono.
2 its 75 feet long
3 You cant park it on the beach.
4 how many people do you need to sail it.
5 And it is almost 30 year old,

A Catamaran is 3 or 4 times the cost of a mono in Australia,
Yes I did notice that as I was looking for my cat,
But I dont want a mono,
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Old 27-08-2011, 00:17   #55
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Tuskie, bargains can be found anywhere if you're in the right place at the right time with the cash to move quickly.

But overall boats are very expensive in Oz, especially 2nd hand. I've been monitoring yacht prices in Australia for the past 15 years. In that time, I have also lived and sailed in many places overseas - on the whole and especially in the Med, Caribbean and US, yachts are cheaper. Of course, it also depends on exchange rates and other factors...

I will definitely be buying my next cruising boat OS, just like the last one!
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Old 27-08-2011, 00:41   #56
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But I dont want a mono,
Neither do I, Mr B. One reason that I didn't bid. It was very nice however, (for a monohull!)

Yes, Surfer Girl, I agree with you, really. But my point is that we should monitor SELLING rather than ASKING prices. And, be patient if you are a buyer who is confined to the local market. Bargains do come along, for cat buyers as well.
I haven't followed the overseas market closely,but can deduce that, in Australia there is a big difference between the two ie. in order to sell the asking price must be dropped by a significant margin. Perhaps the difference between asking and selling price isn't as large in some countries.
I believe that the Aussie brokers point to secondhand ASKING prices as some sort of proof that new boats aren't about to suffer significant devaluation after sale. Perhaps they're just "fishing for fools" who'll pay an (internationally) inflated price. Either way, many serious buyers such as youself aren't affraid of the importation scare tactics, and spend their money overseas.
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Old 27-08-2011, 01:50   #57
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But my point is that we should monitor SELLING rather than ASKING prices. And, be patient if you are a buyer who is confined to the local market. Bargains do come along, for cat buyers as well.

And a very good point, too!
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Old 27-08-2011, 01:58   #58
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I wouldnt pay 100k for that boat given it's 1984 build
year even with a refit. You wouldn't get it into half of the BVI / Carib light blue waters.


Don't worry Mr B, despite what others may say I'd love to go sailing with you on Port Phillip one day when you arrive home, would look forward to it.
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Old 27-08-2011, 02:49   #59
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I wouldnt pay 100k for that boat given it's 1984 build year even with a refit. You wouldn't get it into half of the BVI / Carib light blue waters.
You're a hard man to please, Ausaviator!

Wouldn't you love to slip into the centre cockpit of a 45 tonner surrounded by teak and admire those huge electric winches for only $100K!?



1984 build or not, mono or multi, I reckon it was a steal! I felt sorry for the English owners. Well, for a few seconds anyway, until I realised it was probably the product of a Cayman Island tax dodge.
The professional crew of the nearby Privilege 615 catamaran needed confirmation that their english to french translation of the selling price was indeed correct.
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Sorry, I am hard to please, yes.

A friend bought a "cheap" boat. It is a Farr 52, offshore cruiser. Sub $300k and not many years old. Replacement value $1m. Seems like a great buy on the surface but the running costs are ridiculous. It's not easy for him and his Mrs. to sail and owning it is not a great experience. Things break on it in a weekly basis and it hardly gets used. Refrigeration, davits, leaks, wiring, rigging, it's never ending and I'd hate to actually go somewhere on it for fear of stuff breaking. Not really sure why it's so bad to be honest, it's got apparent very good build quality.
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